NGD!!! and it's RED :)

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NGD!!! and it's RED :)

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Just picked this guy up off of CL, 1997-98 ASAT Classic transparent red, natural wood binding and a maple neck with just the right amount of birdseye(although I can never seem to photograph it). Not a scratch on it

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Don't worry Louis I already have a replacement pickguard...and it's not tortoise :lol:

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Fantastic straight grain on that one Dave. Bet it sounds great!
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Dave_P wrote:Just picked this guy up off of CL, 1997-98 ASAT Classic transparent red, natural wood binding and a maple neck with just the right amount of birdseye...

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Nice color scheme.

I love ASAT Classics.

Is there is a way to preserve pickguards so they do not yellow over time?

When you have a chance would you post more pictures of the birdseye neck?
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wow, that is very nice indeed. that guitar would be killer with no pickguard.
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Dave_P wrote:Just picked this guy up off of CL, 1997-98 ASAT Classic transparent red, natural wood binding and a maple neck with just the right amount of birdseye(although I can never seem to photograph it). Not a scratch on it

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Don't worry Louis I already have a replacement pickguard...and it's not tortoise :lol:

-Dave
Very nice looking ASAT !

Does it have a rear contour, aka a belly cut ? It looks very similar to my ASAT Classic Custom from that era, which I bought as an ASAT Classic.

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Nice score Dave :happy0065: Don't let darwin see another red one ;)

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Beaut.
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I just checked in and you can send that one my way anytime soon Dave. It is stunning and I like the pearl white oickguard. That is a hot guitar and the only thing I would change is where it resides! I would think that the Red ones like this would command a premium price.-- Darwin :luv:
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Thanks guys, so far so good, it was set up well and plays nicely. I may have to adjust the pickups a bit, Low E is way louder than the rest, that won't take long to fix though.

SouthpawGuy- no rear contour on mine. That guitar is the first thing I thought of when i saw this one

Michael- not sure on how to preserve the pickguards, I actually like the pearl better aged/yellowed (on this guitar anyway). I'll snap some more photos tonight, the batteries in my camera died but I'm picking more up today.

I came into it thinking I'd hate the pearl but it's not so bad. I picked up an old G&L aluminum guard cheap off of ebay. It's white currently but it will get a coating or two of black crinkle. Clear red with a blackguard has been on the list for a while.


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Thanks Darwin, if it should ever be on the chopping block I'll make sure you're the first to know :lol:

As for price...I got a great deal on this one, I had to do some restructuring of my equipment to make it work though. I sold my '90 ASAT and the Larrivee I bought a few months ago to get the classic, a new amp (as soon as ebay releases my funds) and I still have a few hundred left over.

I never bonded with the ASAT (that's pretty well documented on here) I loved the Larrivee but it wasn't getting played and the acoustic gig thing I had going never really got going, plus I made a profit on it. With all this wheelin' and dealin' I'm going to need to take a new family photo once the dust settles.

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Pic update :alright:

Here are a couple of the light birdseye in the neck, I still can't quite get it. I need a nice sunny day...those have been in short supply this week.

Neck (front)
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Neck (back)
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Wood grain on the back
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and my two current ASATs
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new pickguard is sanded to bare metal and ready for spraying tomorrow

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Dave_P wrote:new pickguard is sanded to bare metal and ready for spraying tomorrow
Does the crinkle collect dust and dirt in the crevices? Black will look badass.

The more birdseye that I see the more I wish I had bought another Legacy that had a birdseye neck when I was shopping. At the time I felt it was too extravagant and indulging of me. I had mixed feelings about investing in music gear again. But I actually went back later to buy it after thinking about things but it had sold. By this time it would have meant keeping both as there was no option of trading one back in months later. I might not have been able to do it at all even a day or two after but I would have been trading up to a more expensive guitar so who knows?
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Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:
Dave_P wrote:new pickguard is sanded to bare metal and ready for spraying tomorrow
Does the crinkle collect dust and dirt in the crevices? Black will look badass.

The more birdseye that I see the more I wish I had bought another Legacy that had a birdseye neck when I was shopping. At the time I felt it was too extravagant and indulging of me. I had mixed feelings about investing in music gear again. But I actually went back later to buy it after thinking about things but it had sold. By this time it would have meant keeping both as there was no option of trading one back in months later. I might not have been able to do it at all even a day or two after but I would have been trading up to a more expensive guitar so who knows?
birdseye looks nice, but remember it is weaker. does not mean it is not strong enough, but it is something to keep in mind.
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Nice score. Love the looks of the trans red with the binding.
Current pickguard looks ok to me but I bet a black guard will look hot.
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Hey Dave,
Nice addition - call me crazy but i like the red with the pearl pickguard. I usually don't like the pearl as a general rule, but my honey burst bluesboy has one and it just seems to suit the guitar. I am sure the black will look awesome, but the pearl certainly makes the red pop!

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Michael - Dirt/dust collecting on the old G&L crinkle guards didn't seem to be a problem for me. The texture was light enough were it still felt mostly smooth.
For this guard I used VHT (brand) wrinkle paint, as recommended by Wayne at tone-guard in an older thread I came across. So far it looks ok, maybe a little too wrinkley/busy right now, the last step is to bake it later today to cure the paint which will also change the wrinkle slightly. I'll get pics up when it's done
I've been a fan of birdseye for a while now, the second guitar I ever purchased(Fender Am Std strat) just happened to have some in the neck. I'm not really a fan of the heavily birdseyed ones though, just a few speckles here and there is what catches my eye. I can see feeling like it's a little too flashy, I feel that way about rich woods sometimes. On one hand it's beautiful what nature can produce, on the other it can be just plain gaudy.

Louis - So far so good with the birdseye for me. This is my third over the course of around 15 years or so, hoping I didn't just jinx myself

Repoman- Thanks! I'll update with pics once I swap them out, then maybe we'll take a vote

Scott- I actually kinda like the pearl at this point, when I saw the photos prior to purchasing the guitar it looked much more white and I was sure I'd hate it. In person it is more yellowed/aged and it goes well with the natural binding. I'm going to try out the black because I put the work/money into it, but the pearl will stay on hand. Maybe I'll rotate every other string change :lol:

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Oh boy, I am looking forward to the pics and I can hardly wait for the democratic voting process. This is going to heat up!!!!-- Darwin
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Dave_P wrote:Michael - Dirt/dust collecting on the old G&L crinkle guards didn't seem to be a problem for me. The texture was light enough were it still felt mostly smooth.
For this guard I used VHT (brand) wrinkle paint, as recommended by Wayne at tone-guard in an older thread I came across. So far it looks ok, maybe a little too wrinkley/busy right now, the last step is to bake it later today to cure the paint which will also change the wrinkle slightly. I'll get pics up when it's done
I've been a fan of birdseye for a while now, the second guitar I ever purchased(Fender Am Std strat) just happened to have some in the neck. I'm not really a fan of the heavily birdseyed ones though, just a few speckles here and there is what catches my eye. I can see feeling like it's a little too flashy, I feel that way about rich woods sometimes. On one hand it's beautiful what nature can produce, on the other it can be just plain gaudy.
I had not played in years and to get back in required spending a lot of money (to me) on a hobby. I really wanted a 30th Anniversary Legacy as soon as I saw them but pearl white was out of the question. In my frame of mind at that time I would have been embarrassed to break it out with anyone around. I am no longer thinking the same way about things. I am very happy that I made the investment.

Dave_P wrote:Louis - So far so good with the birdseye for me. This is my third over the course of around 15 years or so, hoping I didn't just jinx myself
Not to suggest I am exposed to enough information or this is remotely scientific, I have not come across anyone who has described their birdseye developing problems that could not be corrected with the same tools as a hard rock maple. I understand it is a flaw in nature but it looks very nice (even when heavily ornate at least when not finished in GOT) and for some reason they feel better to me when I play them. This is not psychological either. It has been something more related to the shape than anything. Perhaps coincidence I doubt it. I think there may be something in common that I cannot pin down. Or there is something in common with non-birdseye that does not feel the same to me. But to me a birdseye has a strong likelihood of being a win-win feature.
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Pic update - A quick background on this pickguard project. Started out as a white left handed aluminum guard from an older asat. I got it for a great price and figured it would work for a right handed guitar. No bevel on the edge of the Al guards so it was just a matter of countersinking the screw holes, a quick sanding and then the paint. It worked out great.
On with the pics!

Pearl Guard
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No Guard
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Black Guard
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Comparison of G&L crinkle vs VHT wrinkle
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You can see the G&L crinkle is a bit finer, pretty close though, the curing/baking process really helped with the VHT paint.

Let the voting begin!

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The black crinkle looks fantastic.
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Yes!!! to the wrinkled black pickguard!!!

Also, If I have a beveled black/white/black pickguard and wanted to wrinkle coat it do you think I would be able to retain the white in the beveled edge?

Any suggestions on how to approach this? (rub, sand or file it off after maybe?).

=> Could I even use the wrinkle paint without baking it when It is a plastic pickguard?

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my favorite is the no guard, but the black crinkle is about even with that. very nice.
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Dave, it is very nice but I think that the pearl is very classy! Good job on the finishing!-- Darwin
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Thanks guys, Black crinkle it is! I was leaning that direction anyway, and my wife agreed. I still like the pearl too so I'll hang on to it and mix it up from time to time.
I also like the no pickguard look but on this one it just looked too naked/incomplete. Maybe if the controls were rear mounted.

Michael, I'm not sure how well the paint would adhere to plastic. You do not need to bake it afterwards, it just tightens up the wrinkle a bit. I would just tape off the beveled edge, I used basic masking tape on the back of mine to keep the smooth white powder coat intact and it work very well. Good luck, let us know it you try it

On a side note, for those of you who have switched out the ferrule block for the Taipan tone or de Lisle type, was it worth the change? Mine is metal of some kind (I think I read zinc?), not the plastic so I'm not sure if it would make as much of a difference.

-Dave