2007 G&L F-100 Real?

[Tundra]

I bought this off ebay few years back. I remember there was some discussion on it here but I can't find that thread. The neck markings says F-100 EB, has a round stamp with NECK G&L (in the middle) and Dept, date stamp of Feb 13, 2007, and written is -GdJ- ??, the body date stamp looks like Sept 21, 2008? and has either a M or W. The description said the body is alder and the neck pocket has redish smooth wood which I thought would be mahogony. The neck has a serial number, CLF45358. Ebony fretboard, maple neck, has a toggle switch to turn it to single coll operations.

Basically I want to know this is authentic G&L made guitar, although the decal says G&L F-100. So if I happen to let it go I can say its a G&L and not a copy (fake). The photo is off ebay. The tone is on the muddy side and it plays fine. Thank you all in advance.

[Tundra]

I forgot to add that I got this before the F-100 Return Edition came out. This could have been a special order and wanted to verify this.
Thank you all in advance.

[Craig]

I'm sure it's real and not a fake. I will check with a contact at G&L and see if I can get the history on
this guitar.

Stay tuned.

[Darth Invader]

Thanks for the email, Craig.

Here's what I can see on CLF45358. It shows:

F100 LTD WINE RED EB-#1-GNT-WB
GLOSS BLACK BACK

This S/N F-100 was on an order that was built for the 2007 Summer NAMM in Austin. The order was first inputted on 4/24/07 and shipped out on 7/19/07 to the show. By that time the F-100 Return Edition was already out, as it was on the cover of the June 2007 issue of Premier Guitar with a feature on the G&L Custom Creations Department.

The description doesn't exactly match what I see in your pic. Seems the intent of the order was to ship one of the Return Edition guitars. Perhaps that wasn't possible and this guitar went instead as is. I don't see anything further on this S/N, so possibly it could have gone straight to a dealer, to a rep who later sold it to a dealer, or it was exchanged with another manufacturer for some value (product, display at their booth etc.).

That wouldn't explain a date marking on the body of 2008, if that's what it is (sometimes hard to make out). It could be that it came back from the show, perhaps with damage, sat around for a while before eventually it was mated to another body. Still no record of that S/N leaving except to go to the show.

I'm sorry this mysterious backstory isn't much help, but on the upside, it's an F-100 hardtail which is always cool.

Dave

[Tundra]

Thank you Craig and Dave... I appreciate the info and knowing its real.... yes yes yes!!
I'll see if I can make out the date stamp on the body. The color is black and not wine. So maybe the body got switched out, and the neck fits like a glove as if it was made for it.
Yes... its pretty cool! Again Thank you!
Tundra

[nut brown ale]

I've got a very similar question on an F-100 that I recently acquired. CLF 31273. It has no model name or number on the neck, but it is obviously an f-100. When I changed the strings I checked out the neck-body joint and the pickup pockets. The neck and neck pocket have no dates. Instead there is a lot of pencil and black sharpie that is covered by clear overcoat. The sharpie states f-100, ivory headstock, and a makers mark of some sort. Also in pencil you can read proto and routing depths. On the neck pickup pocket the black sharpie states ivory x and f-100 - proto. The pencil in the pocket again list the routing depth. The real bizarre thing is that the wiring matches the f-100 relauch with exception of two tone knobs, a push/pull volume knob for coil splitting, and a three-way pick selector. I will try to post photos when I get them formatted correctly.

[Tundra]

Hi again. Checked the neck pocket again. Can't read the year and I can't really say its 2008, but I thought it looked like that but I am not sure. There is a green colored dot as well. So I popped the pickups off and in the neck cavity it's has.. F-100 BLK RW.. and there is that little M or W. The bridge pickup cavity has BBE.
So this appears the neck from '07 as you say and maybe the body from '09?? when F-100 were introduced?? Anyway... its good to know what have. Now gonna wonder where the body went?? Alrighty... thank you!!

[nut brown ale]

Here is the link to some photos. Any background information is available. For example I know most F-100's were mahogany. While this is tight grained, it looks pretty light in color to be mahagony. It also looks too tightly grained to be swamp ash. Some of the pencil marks say 500. Since the serial number is around 2004 (when no f-100's were in production that I can find), what was the main wood used for the S500. Could this be a S500 body.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1004582367 ... hbqD0deoXA

[Craig]

Here is the link to some photos. Any background information is available. For example I know most F-100's were mahogany. While this is tight grained, it looks pretty light in color to be mahagony. It also looks too tightly grained to be swamp ash. Some of the pencil marks say 500. Since the serial number is around 2004 (when no f-100's were in production that I can find), what was the main wood used for the S500. Could this be a S500 body.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1004582367 ... hbqD0deoXA

Unfortunately, that link is not working for me, I get "404 NOT_FOUND" error. Could you post some of the photos here?
See: Tutorial: Posting photos for information on posting them.

Thanks.

[SouthpawGuy]

Here you go, copied them to my photobucket account.

If the op wants me to remove them just send me a pm.

[Craig]

I've got a very similar question on an F-100 that I recently acquired. CLF 31273. It has no model name or number on the neck, but it is obviously an f-100. When I changed the strings I checked out the neck-body joint and the pickup pockets. The neck and neck pocket have no dates. Instead there is a lot of pencil and black sharpie that is covered by clear overcoat. The sharpie states f-100, ivory headstock, and a makers mark of some sort. Also in pencil you can read proto and routing depths. On the neck pickup pocket the black sharpie states ivory x and f-100 - proto. The pencil in the pocket again list the routing depth. The real bizarre thing is that the wiring matches the f-100 relauch with exception of two tone knobs, a push/pull volume knob for coil splitting, and a three-way pick selector. I will try to post photos when I get them formatted correctly.

I've emailed Dave to see if he has time to check on this one. It's clearly a prototype and might have the PTB wiring.
Can you measure the nut width, the neck marking of 1 11/16 might mean it's a #3 neck.
Hopefully, Dave will be able to check and post about it.

Stay tuned.

[nut brown ale]

I can confirm that it is a #3 neck with an ebony fret board that is not quite as finely finished as my early 90's Legacy that has an ebony fret board. When you look at the fret board closely you can still see some of the sanding marks on the dot inlays and on the ebony itself.

[Darth Invader]

I've got a very similar question on an F-100 that I recently acquired. CLF 31273. It has no model name or number on the neck, but it is obviously an f-100. When I changed the strings I checked out the neck-body joint and the pickup pockets. The neck and neck pocket have no dates. Instead there is a lot of pencil and black sharpie that is covered by clear overcoat. The sharpie states f-100, ivory headstock, and a makers mark of some sort. Also in pencil you can read proto and routing depths. On the neck pickup pocket the black sharpie states ivory x and f-100 - proto. The pencil in the pocket again list the routing depth. The real bizarre thing is that the wiring matches the f-100 relauch with exception of two tone knobs, a push/pull volume knob for coil splitting, and a three-way pick selector. I will try to post photos when I get them formatted correctly.

I saw the pics below, but I can't find anything on CLF31273. I think that's one that was made without an order, the guys wanted to check something out. Might have been to check out the Ivory (Cantrell) paint blend on it though I'm just taking a stab there.

Dave

[nut brown ale]

Does the pickup pocket look like mahogany? I thought raw mahogany was always a little more red than this.

[Craig]

Does the pickup pocket look like mahogany? I thought raw mahogany was always a little more red than this.

It looks to me like Alder or a very straight grained Swamp Ash. It's not Mahogany as far as I can tell.

[nut brown ale]

The electronics are passive and wired PTB just like a Legacy. This makes for quite a bit of extra sparkle. It is almost ASAT-like when the coil tap is pulled.

[JagInTheBag]

If this white one has both a tap and a phase pull pot, this would make the circuit much more similar to the original F-100, and very very interesting. It would be fun to see one variant with the single tone called "Stage" and one with the PTB called "Studio" or something of the sort.

[nut brown ale]

No out of phase pull. The pull on the volume is just a coil split.

[JagInTheBag]

No out of phase pull. The pull on the volume is just a coil split.

Does it split coils on both pups?

Perhaps one could wire a phase setting in the blade switch then...