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As many of you already know, my Fullerton Red SC-2 is a fave. This weekend I was out of town and decided I was going to put it in a G&L gig bag for the trip to save some space. When I placed it in the gig bag, the zipper would barely close. This baby was tight. Now, to me the SC-2 looks smaller. So tonight for entertainment I investigate this issue and lo and behold was this a surprise. This is probably the most useless information that you folks have ever had, but if buying a case it is important. So, I lined them up, shortest to tallest. Here is the first picture.
Front to back is an Asat Z-3, the shortest. Next is two Legacys, Then the SC-2 which is 1 " longer than the ASAT , a 1/2 longer than the Legacys and the back is the F-100 Return, which I knew was longer than anything else but the SC-2 is the same length as the F-100.
Here are the headstocks lined up.
It is Sunday night and slow on the forum. what else can I say?-- Darwin
Michael, this is a 5 position rack. First is the ASAT Z-3, next are two Legacys next to each other. in position 2 & 3. Position 4 is the SC-2 and position 5 is the F-100 Return. Hope that helps.-- Darwin
Cool, I think the height discrepancy could be because of the ASAT body shape (I think ASATs are slightly shorter than Legacys) and of course the SC-2 and the F-100 return edition uses the old style headstock shape.
that being said it is very interesting to see that the SC-2 is longer then the ASAT I would have thought they would have been closer to the same size.
Darwin
Which G&L gig bag do you have? Is it the original with the plain white embroidered logo, or the red circled logo with the grey stripe up the front?
I am curious because my 80's SC-1 fits my G&L gig bag perfectly--I would not say it is a tight fit. My bag is the one with the white embroidered logo.
I brought up a question some time ago as to what differences there were between the two bags and could not really get a definitive answer, so I am wondering if the length is slightly different.
This also brings up another question--Are the SC-2 Reissues identical in dimension to the originals? My '80s SC-1 measures just a hair over 40" from the tip of the headstock to the end of the strap button (it is not the original strap button, but it can't be significantly different).
suave eddie wrote:Darwin
Which G&L gig bag do you have? Is it the original with the plain white embroidered logo, or the red circled logo with the grey stripe up the front?
I am curious because my 80's SC-1 fits my G&L gig bag perfectly--I would not say it is a tight fit. My bag is the one with the white embroidered logo.
I brought up a question some time ago as to what differences there were between the two bags and could not really get a definitive answer, so I am wondering if the length is slightly different.
This also brings up another question--Are the SC-2 Reissues identical in dimension to the originals? My '80s SC-1 measures just a hair over 40" from the tip of the headstock to the end of the strap button (it is not the original strap button, but it can't be significantly different).
I have an '84 SC-2 that lives in one of the newer G&L bags with the red oval logo. Mine fits as you describe. Of course, it's possible G&L changed the dimensions of the bag sometime prior to the logo change, but I'm wondering if the new SC series is slightly longer than the old. I know, for example, that my Leo-era F-100 is longer than the SC-2, though I couldn't tell you offhand by how much.
I re-measured my SC-1 and it is 40 1/4 inches long. I don't think the the difference in the stock strap button could be 3/8 inch, so I think the reissue may not be the exact same dimensions as the original.
Here is a photo of how mine fits the bag. I can see how perhaps another 3/8 inch could possibly crowd it a bit.
As a side note, I believe G&L makes one the best quality conventional gig bags available. Extra thick padding and the all-important neck strap, plus lots of pocket room for miscellaneous items.
Eddie, I believe they are a different length. Yes,G&L has one of the nicest gig bags around. The guitar came with the fit case but I was just using the bag to save space and was surprised at what I found. Here is mine in the bag tight to the bottom.-- Darwin
I just tried a case swap (I don't have any gig bags). The '86 ASAT and '82 SC-2 are the only ones with OHSCs, but all of the others have well-fitting cases. The ASATs were interchangeable and could fit into anything but the SC-2 case (about 1-2 inches too narrow for the bodies). The double cutaways (I only tried the SC-2 and a pair of 'Hawks, but I know the others fit the 'Hawks' cases) were too long in the headstock and upper bouts to fit the ASAT cases. Everything that wasn't an SC-2 was too wide in the body for the SC-2 case but seemed OK length-wise.
Interestingly, the '98 ASAT Classic's body was a very tight fit in the '86 ASAT's OHSC. I didn't measure, but I would guess that it's about a quarter inch wider than the older ASATs.
It was hard pulling them all out without playing any of them.
Thanks Ken and I get it when you say it is hard to look without playing. Thanks for the interest in what I thought would be low key topic. Good to see that people are checking up on us and keeping us honest. -- Darwin
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This also brings up another question--Are the SC-2 Reissues identical in dimension to the originals? My '80s SC-1 measures just a hair over 40" from the tip of the headstock to the end of the strap button (it is not the original strap button, but it can't be significantly different).[/quote]
Here is the announcement text from G&L's website on the SC-2 return issue:
THE LEGENDARY SC-2 RETURNS
Fullerton, Calif., August 1, 2008 - It’s been more than 20 years since G&L made the SC-2, though its popularity is getting stronger each year. It’s a perfect time for a comeback: G&L is proud to announce that the SC-2 is back and better than ever!
Background
Introduced in 1982, the SC-2’s distinctive shape and tone resonated with the New Wave movement, and pioneers like Devo’s Bob Mothersbaugh immediately embraced Leo’s latest creation It was pure Leo genius: fresh, forward-looking, and fun.
Though the &Lsquo;80s New Wave movement gave way to glam rock, which gave way to the grunge movement in the &Lsquo;90s, what comes around goes around. Today’s indie-pop musicians are increasingly embracing the aesthetic of early &Lsquo;80s New Wave scene; evolving it with the edginess that today’s indie scene grew up with. The SC-2 was perfect for its time as well as today’s direction, and consequently vintage SC-2s have been growing in value as gigging musicians and collectors alike are discovering – or rediscovering – one of Leo’s coolest guitars.
Evo LEO tion
Leo demanded that G&L designs continue to improve, and we think he’d be pleased with the latest axe to emerge from Fender Avenue. This is no reissue, as the new SC-2 has evolved to meet the needs and tastes of today’s musician. The distinctive body profile is faithful to the original, but now features G&L’s generously sculpted arm and back contours for added comfort as well as repositioned controls for ease of use. The result is a light, compact body that just feels great, whether hanging on a strap or strumming in a chair.
Things have evolved up top, too, with a neck featuring our easy-playing contemporary #1 profile, capped with the stylish mid-80’s G&L headstock shape incorporating G&L’s trademark &Ldquo;hook” design. What’s more, this neck blends a vintage vibe with modern playability with its Gun Oil Tint finished with satin on the back and gloss on the headstock face.
Versatility
The new SC-2 is powered by a pair of G&L large MFD single-coil pickups, yielding a broad range of tonalities for even the most diversified of players. The neck pickup is a traditional-spec large MFD, which has a warm, spongy response with just the right amount of top-end articulation. The bridge position features an over-wound &Ldquo;fat” MFD pickup for a powerful, smooth vocal presence that’s great for clean or overdriven textures. The SC-2’s sonic territory covers punchy indie-pop riffs, straight-ahead blues rock, smooth jazz, even jangly country licks. For players who demand a versatile guitar capable of handling any situation, the SC-2 gets it done with comfort and style.
The gig bag that I used is for a 2007 Legacy with the white embroidered G&L logo.
Maybe they do have different sized gig bags. Craig will know. This is a consideration if buying a case. Thanks again-- Darwin.
My '09 SC-2 and G&L gig bags (I have both white and red logo'd ones) are in my Paso Robles home, so I will check the measurements of them this weekend.
The gig bag that I used is for a 2007 Legacy with the white embroidered G&L logo.
Maybe they do have different sized gig bags. Craig will know. This is a consideration if buying a case. Thanks again-- Darwin.
My '09 SC-2 and G&L gig bags (I have both white and red logo'd ones) are in my Paso Robles home, so I will check the measurements of them this weekend.
Stay tuned.
Unfortunately, I left my camera at the SJ home, so I won't be able to provide pictures.
My SC-2 came with the red oval logo gigbag and fits without being snug at the top. In the older gigbag (grey G&L logo with white stiching) it is snug like Darwin's photo.
I looked at the bottom of each bag and they have different padding. The older bag has one long piece going the width, while the red oval logo gigbag has two separate pieces.
The two separate pieces fit with the guitar's strap button between them, therefore, this gives the top some additional room. My strap button top measures 11/32" from the body.
Craig, thanks for the information. That solves the mystery. I folded down the padding in my bag (Grey Logo) and the SC-2 fits very well. All I would have to do is cut a notch for the strap pin. Looks like G&L solved the problem when going to the Red Logo. -- Darwin
The G&L store on the website still shows the old style "white logo" bag. Has this been replaced by the "red oval" style? I have assumed (perhaps in error) that the red oval style was for the Tributes.
I know that there are people who would never use a gig bag, believing that a hard case affords better protection. Obviously you would never use a gig bag to be placed in the baggage hold of an airplane, but for casual transportation they do serve a purpose. I ran across this thread a while back on the TDPRI forum: http://www.tdpri.com/forum/bad-dog-cafe ... -pfff.html
The one particular post that caught my eye was this one from a packaging engineer:
I'm a packaging engineer by day. (I'm a nerd).
We look at bracing, blocking and cushioning.
Bracing & Blocking - Holding the item in the right place in a package so that impact to the package will not allow the item to get damaged.
Cushioning - The ability for the package to absorb impact and not transmit impact to the item.
I have a shake table at my office. I can shake a pallet or one box to simulate a truck ride across your state or the whole country. We do this all the time.
Placing a guitar in an absolutely rigid form fitting hard case and placing the case in a trailer is actually lousy. The hard cases that we use (I'm 50/50 - hard/soft with 21 guitars) transmit vibration right into the guitar. The case vibrates and shakes like heck, so does your guitar. A good gig bag with a strap for the neck (holding the neck in the center of the neck area) will actually absorb vibration and not transmit it all right into the guitar. If you drop a gig bag where the neck is strapped into the center of the neck compartment, the bag will absorb a lot of impact before the neck hits the ground. Drop a hard case and the case will transmit the inertia right into your guitar.
Place a light bulb in a rigid wood box and stick it in your trunk for a week (ouch).
Place a light bulb in a padded bag and stick it in your trunk for a week (better).
Fewer rigid hard cases will cube out a truck or cargo container than gig bags. You can compress an empty gig bag and fit three gig bags to one hard case in a cargo container. It's a lot cheaper to ship a massive amount of gig bags therefore we're getting gig bags these days (it's just busines). If you think about molding a hard case, molding the insert, sticking the two together with VHB adhesive....it's pretty simple to make a molded hard case. Think about sewing together all the components of a Ritter bag. Gig bags might not be so cheap from a manufacturing standpoint but it certainly is cheaper to get them here.
If your guitar goes to a gig in the trunk of your own car, a gig bag with backpack straps is fine.
The rectangular wooden Fender hard cases that I had in 1975 were beasts.
I have seen cheapie gig bags with insufficient padding and no neck strap that I would not use, but as I said earlier, the G&L bag is one of the best I've seen.
Eddie, interesting post and it is hard to argue with. My John Mayer Incase bag is unbelievable. This offers protection better than anything I have ever seen. I found it hard to believe the John Mayer with come in a bag but after seeing it, it is impressive for protection. I will post a picture of it when I have time.-- Darwin
Not to hijack this thread too far from the original topic, but does anyone have any direct experience with Reunion Blues cases? I lived down the road from this company for 30 years and never heard of them until recently.
suave eddie wrote:Not to hijack this thread too far from the original topic, but does anyone have any direct experience with Reunion Blues cases? I lived down the road from this company for 30 years and never heard of them until recently.
suave eddie wrote:The G&L store on the website still shows the old style "white logo" bag. Has this been replaced by the "red oval" style? I have assumed (perhaps in error) that the red oval style was for the Tributes.
I know that there are people who would never use a gig bag, believing that a hard case affords better protection. Obviously you would never use a gig bag to be placed in the baggage hold of an airplane, but for casual transportation they do serve a purpose. I ran across this thread a while back on the TDPRI forum: http://www.tdpri.com/forum/bad-dog-cafe ... -pfff.html
The one particular post that caught my eye was this one from a packaging engineer:
I'm a packaging engineer by day. (I'm a nerd).
We look at bracing, blocking and cushioning.
Bracing & Blocking - Holding the item in the right place in a package so that impact to the package will not allow the item to get damaged.
Cushioning - The ability for the package to absorb impact and not transmit impact to the item.
I have a shake table at my office. I can shake a pallet or one box to simulate a truck ride across your state or the whole country. We do this all the time.
Placing a guitar in an absolutely rigid form fitting hard case and placing the case in a trailer is actually lousy. The hard cases that we use (I'm 50/50 - hard/soft with 21 guitars) transmit vibration right into the guitar. The case vibrates and shakes like heck, so does your guitar. A good gig bag with a strap for the neck (holding the neck in the center of the neck area) will actually absorb vibration and not transmit it all right into the guitar. If you drop a gig bag where the neck is strapped into the center of the neck compartment, the bag will absorb a lot of impact before the neck hits the ground. Drop a hard case and the case will transmit the inertia right into your guitar.
Place a light bulb in a rigid wood box and stick it in your trunk for a week (ouch).
Place a light bulb in a padded bag and stick it in your trunk for a week (better).
Fewer rigid hard cases will cube out a truck or cargo container than gig bags. You can compress an empty gig bag and fit three gig bags to one hard case in a cargo container. It's a lot cheaper to ship a massive amount of gig bags therefore we're getting gig bags these days (it's just busines). If you think about molding a hard case, molding the insert, sticking the two together with VHB adhesive....it's pretty simple to make a molded hard case. Think about sewing together all the components of a Ritter bag. Gig bags might not be so cheap from a manufacturing standpoint but it certainly is cheaper to get them here.
If your guitar goes to a gig in the trunk of your own car, a gig bag with backpack straps is fine.
The rectangular wooden Fender hard cases that I had in 1975 were beasts.
I have seen cheapie gig bags with insufficient padding and no neck strap that I would not use, but as I said earlier, the G&L bag is one of the best I've seen.
.
There may be an untapped market for a hardshell case that fits a guitar that is within a gig bag.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:
There may be an untapped market for a hardshell case that fits a guitar that is within a gig bag.
This is one and G&L used it for the Fullerton Standard series. G&L called it the gigcase. Here's a picture:
I have one but don't have my camera here in Paso Robles, so I can't show what it looks like opened and the back of it.
Beside the handles, the gigcase also has shoulder straps like a gigbag.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:
There may be an untapped market for a hardshell case that fits a guitar that is within a gig bag.
This is one and G&L used it for the Fullerton Standard series. G&L called it the gigcase. Here's a picture:
I have one but don't have my camera here in Paso Robles, so I can't show what it looks like opened and the back of it.
Beside the handles, the gigcase also has shoulder straps like a gigbag.
Hope this helps.
this one looks like roadrunner or wolfpack. i have those as well, better than hardcases for sure. thw wolfack is really nice. basically like a motorcycle helmet for a guitar. has a lot of room for accessories and backpack straps. hard plastic shell with injection molded foam inside and a tough cordura cover.
After this "useless" thread that has been valuable I think I am convinced that a good gig bag offers more protection and a few other benefits than a hardshell case. I do not like the way a gig bag looks. I still think less of the guitar that is inside (without knowledge of it) when I see a gig bag being used. Does it matter if it is all about protection? No and yes. If a gig bag were inside a hardshell case you could gain many benefits from both. Although you would lose the ability to pack them snugly you would have the ability to stack them neatly. A case sitting upright on the floor trumps a gig bag which resembles someone's parka tossed on the ground. +$ .02
