Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
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Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
Hi everyone,
I'm going to purchace a new Legacy Tribute. Would you recommend to buy locking tuners for that?
Thanks!
I'm going to purchace a new Legacy Tribute. Would you recommend to buy locking tuners for that?
Thanks!
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
I think you should play it for a while and after a few string changes,Kopfschmerzen wrote:Hi everyone,
I'm going to purchace a new Legacy Tribute. Would you recommend to buy locking tuners for that?
Thanks!
see if you really need locking tuners or not.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
There are no locking tuners to be installed without drilling new holes in a Tribute S-500, and I guess this applies to the Legacy too. You should take this into account.
I installed the third trem spring and the trem works quite well, no need for locking tuners so far.
I installed the third trem spring and the trem works quite well, no need for locking tuners so far.
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
I am of the opinion every guitar could benefit from locking tuners. I also don't bulk at drilling to install them if need be (even on USA or such, I have drilled on some of my custom shops).
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
The key advantage to locking tuners is in the speed that they can be restrung, though they do provide some advantage for those who use the vibrato bar for deep bends.
If you properly wrap a Fender vintage-style split-post tuner, you will have essentially locked the string to the post. Even the eye-through post tuners can be very stable, provided the wrap is done correctly. It is rare for me to have to tune during a set with any of my DF-Vibrato equipped USA G&Ls, whether they have Sperzels or schallers; locking or split-post tuners.
I do recommend using a nut lube--I have found the Big Bend's Nut Sauce to work very well in the nut slots, and I even add a VERY tiny bit on the top of the saddles. I also use Fender Super Bullet strings and I believe that the Bullet end does improve tuning stability.
It seems to me that the knife edges of the bridge plates take a while to seat against the posts. A couple hours of gentle quavering should do the trick; but remember, if you change the bridge height, you may need to go through the "mating process" again before the vibrato is stable.
Good luck, and enjoy that new guitar!
Bill
If you properly wrap a Fender vintage-style split-post tuner, you will have essentially locked the string to the post. Even the eye-through post tuners can be very stable, provided the wrap is done correctly. It is rare for me to have to tune during a set with any of my DF-Vibrato equipped USA G&Ls, whether they have Sperzels or schallers; locking or split-post tuners.
I do recommend using a nut lube--I have found the Big Bend's Nut Sauce to work very well in the nut slots, and I even add a VERY tiny bit on the top of the saddles. I also use Fender Super Bullet strings and I believe that the Bullet end does improve tuning stability.
It seems to me that the knife edges of the bridge plates take a while to seat against the posts. A couple hours of gentle quavering should do the trick; but remember, if you change the bridge height, you may need to go through the "mating process" again before the vibrato is stable.
Good luck, and enjoy that new guitar!
Bill
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
Thanks guys,
I really have to try the guitar first I don't plan to abuse tremolo too much so hopefully factory tuners will work.
I really have to try the guitar first I don't plan to abuse tremolo too much so hopefully factory tuners will work.
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
Well, I've got the guitar. It is very nice but this thing does go out of tune after a single deep dive with a tremolo arm. It's OK for now, but what can I do to improve the situation? If locking tuners help, what brand/model do you recommend for the tribute legacy? I don't mind drilling a little hole for a good reason.
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
In my case, installing the 3rd spring and using teflon oil on the nut really improved the situation.
I replaced the string tree with one from Graph Tech.
New strings should be also properly stretched.
I replaced the string tree with one from Graph Tech.
New strings should be also properly stretched.
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
I have an Indonesian made G&L S-500 Tribute that I wanted to add Schaller tuners to. I designed a brass jig to drill the holes for the anti-rotation pins on the back of the Schallers (will work for both the regular and locking type tuners). The jig uses self-centering screws to guarantee perfect alignment in the holes and with the edge of the headstock. My S-500 was made in 2010 and has 26.5mm hole spacing (don't know if they all have this spacing). A 2.5mm bit is used to drill the holes for the pins.
Here are some photos taken after I had already drilled the holes for the first four tuners...
Here are some photos taken after I had already drilled the holes for the first four tuners...
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
those are not locking tuners.jgarnold wrote:I have an Indonesian made G&L S-500 Tribute that I wanted to add Schaller tuners to. I designed a brass jig to drill the holes for the anti-rotation pins on the back of the Schallers (will work for both the regular and locking type tuners). The jig uses self-centering screws to guarantee perfect alignment in the holes and with the edge of the headstock. My S-500 was made in 2010 and has 26.5mm hole spacing (don't know if they all have this spacing). A 2.5mm bit is used to drill the holes for the pins.
Here are some photos taken after I had already drilled the holes for the first four tuners...
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
Yes, but that tool works for both Schaller types.louis cyfer wrote: those are not locking tuners.
Cool, but I would give the paper template a try, which normally comes with the tuner.
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
>those are not locking tuners.
I never said that they were locking tuners, but both types of Schallers use the same pin on the backside (in the same relative location).
The holes need to be drilled to within 0.2mm accuracy if you want the tuners to fit properly. Good luck trying to do that with a paper template. Not to mention that all of the holes need to be drilled parallel to the edge of the headstock, perfectly straight, and to the proper depth.
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I never said that they were locking tuners, but both types of Schallers use the same pin on the backside (in the same relative location).
The holes need to be drilled to within 0.2mm accuracy if you want the tuners to fit properly. Good luck trying to do that with a paper template. Not to mention that all of the holes need to be drilled parallel to the edge of the headstock, perfectly straight, and to the proper depth.
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
Hey Jeff,
Nice looking jig. When I first saw the picture I was reminded of transistor radios of yore. The 'volume' and 'tone' knob on the front of the headstock had me thinking of these things right away
BTW, maybe you can get some money of your idea and sell the jig design to Stewart-MacDonald! Or start your own business of course ...
- Jos
Nice looking jig. When I first saw the picture I was reminded of transistor radios of yore. The 'volume' and 'tone' knob on the front of the headstock had me thinking of these things right away
BTW, maybe you can get some money of your idea and sell the jig design to Stewart-MacDonald! Or start your own business of course ...
- Jos
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
nice looking jig for sure. i let my tech do this stuff, he has a jig for this.jgarnold wrote:>those are not locking tuners.
I never said that they were locking tuners, but both types of Schallers use the same pin on the backside (in the same relative location).
The holes need to be drilled to within 0.2mm accuracy if you want the tuners to fit properly. Good luck trying to do that with a paper template. Not to mention that all of the holes need to be drilled parallel to the edge of the headstock, perfectly straight, and to the proper depth.
-Jeff
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
I guess, for being perfect and for commercial use, it should be somehow adjustable to match different distances of the tuner holes.yowhatsshakin wrote: BTW, maybe you can get some money of your idea and sell the jig design to Stewart-MacDonald! Or start your own business of course ...
I would highly prefer such a tool against a paper template, but I have no possibility to build one.
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
>...it should be somehow adjustable to match different distances of the tuner holes.
Absolutely!! I'm working on it.
-Jeff
Absolutely!! I'm working on it.
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Re: Do I need locking tuners for a Legacy Tribute?
You can buy a Guitar tuner pin placement jig at Stew Mac. It looks just like the one you made only it is also used to place turner pin holes for Schaller/G&L Schaller/Fender; Sperezel tuners.Miles Smiles wrote:I guess, for being perfect and for commercial use, it should be somehow adjustable to match different distances of the tuner holes.yowhatsshakin wrote: BTW, maybe you can get some money of your idea and sell the jig design to Stewart-MacDonald! Or start your own business of course ...
I would highly prefer such a tool against a paper template, but I have no possibility to build one.