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Burst vs. burst

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Perhaps someone in here can explain to me something I don't understand. It's of no importance, I just wonder :-)

Why are finishes such as greenburst or blueburst premier/more expensive finishes than tobacco sunburst or cherryburst??

Is it just policy, or does it have to do with economy somehow?
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I always assumed it's because they do those colors in smaller batches but this is just my wildly unscientific guess.
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I never knew they had a difference in cost.
When I ordered my Blueburst ASAT Classic in 2011 I thought all premium finishes were the same cost. If they weren't, I was not aware of it.
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SunMaster wrote:Perhaps someone in here can explain to me something I don't understand. It's of no importance, I just wonder :-)

Why are finishes such as greenburst or blueburst premier/more expensive finishes than tobacco sunburst or cherryburst??

Is it just policy, or does it have to do with economy somehow?
Standard burst finishes are done on Alder bodies.
Premier burst finishes are done on Swamp Ash bodies, more body prep work.
suave eddie wrote:I never knew they had a difference in cost.
Yes, there is an upcharge for Premier finishes, which includes a Swamp Ash body.
NOTE: Some model descriptions show “Standard and Premier finishes included.”
These models DO NOT require extra charge for Premier finishes.

Reference post: 1/15/2020-present G&L U.S. Specifications & Options

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Craig wrote:
SunMaster wrote:Perhaps someone in here can explain to me something I don't understand. It's of no importance, I just wonder :-)

Why are finishes such as greenburst or blueburst premier/more expensive finishes than tobacco sunburst or cherryburst??

Is it just policy, or does it have to do with economy somehow?
Standard burst finishes are done on Alder bodies.
Premier burst finishes are done on Swamp Ash bodies, more body prep work.
suave eddie wrote:I never knew they had a difference in cost.
Yes, there is an upcharge for Premier finishes, which includes a Swamp Ash body.
NOTE: Some model descriptions show “Standard and Premier finishes included.”
These models DO NOT require extra charge for Premier finishes.

Reference post: 1/15/2020-present G&L U.S. Specifications & Options

Hope this helps.
What you are saying confirms what I thought I understood. Premium finishes do have an upcharge.

What the OP seems to be saying is that certain colors like BlueBurst and GreenBurst cost more than other color Bursts, which does not seem to be what you are saying.
If I understand, all Premium finishes on Ash bodies have the same upcharge regardless of color. Only exceptions are certain models that specify otherwise.

So a Blueburst does not cost more than a Cherryburst.
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suave eddie wrote:
Craig wrote:
SunMaster wrote:Perhaps someone in here can explain to me something I don't understand. It's of no importance, I just wonder :-)

Why are finishes such as greenburst or blueburst premier/more expensive finishes than tobacco sunburst or cherryburst??

Is it just policy, or does it have to do with economy somehow?
Standard burst finishes are done on Alder bodies.
Premier burst finishes are done on Swamp Ash bodies, more body prep work.
suave eddie wrote:I never knew they had a difference in cost.
Yes, there is an upcharge for Premier finishes, which includes a Swamp Ash body.
NOTE: Some model descriptions show “Standard and Premier finishes included.”
These models DO NOT require extra charge for Premier finishes.

Reference post: 1/15/2020-present G&L U.S. Specifications & Options

Hope this helps.
What you are saying confirms what I thought I understood. Premium finishes do have an upcharge.

What the OP seems to be saying is that certain colors like BlueBurst and GreenBurst cost more than other color Bursts, which does not seem to be what you are saying.
If I understand, all Premium finishes on Ash bodies have the same upcharge regardless of color. Only exceptions are certain models that specify otherwise.

So a Blueburst does not cost more than a Cherryburst.
Blueburst is a Premier finish, Cherryburst is a Standard finish.
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Craig wrote:
suave eddie wrote:
Craig wrote:
SunMaster wrote:Perhaps someone in here can explain to me something I don't understand. It's of no importance, I just wonder :-)

Why are finishes such as greenburst or blueburst premier/more expensive finishes than tobacco sunburst or cherryburst??

Is it just policy, or does it have to do with economy somehow?
Standard burst finishes are done on Alder bodies.
Premier burst finishes are done on Swamp Ash bodies, more body prep work.
suave eddie wrote:I never knew they had a difference in cost.
Yes, there is an upcharge for Premier finishes, which includes a Swamp Ash body.
NOTE: Some model descriptions show “Standard and Premier finishes included.”
These models DO NOT require extra charge for Premier finishes.

Reference post: 1/15/2020-present G&L U.S. Specifications & Options

Hope this helps.
What you are saying confirms what I thought I understood. Premium finishes do have an upcharge.

What the OP seems to be saying is that certain colors like BlueBurst and GreenBurst cost more than other color Bursts, which does not seem to be what you are saying.
If I understand, all Premium finishes on Ash bodies have the same upcharge regardless of color. Only exceptions are certain models that specify otherwise.

So a Blueburst does not cost more than a Cherryburst.
Blueburst is a Premier finish, Cherryburst is a Standard finish.
OK, I didn't realize that. I thought all bursts were equal.
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Thanks to all who pitched in :-)
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In 2023, G&L removed the Standard and Premier finishes categories and grouped those finishes
into one category of Finishes (no charge) in the January 1, 2023 Build To Order U.S. Dealer Price List.
Note that the Metal Flake finishes had been deleted and were only available for Custom Shop (and Special Builds).
The standard body wood is Alder (no charge), with optional woods of Basswood and Okoume having no charge,
and Swamp Ash and Western Sugar Pine each having an upcharge.

In 2024, G&L brought back the Standard (same list of 2023 Finishes category, no charge) and
Metal Flake (optional charge) categories in the March 1, 2024 and July 1, 2024 U.S. Dealer Price Lists.
The standard body wood is Alder (no charge), with optional woods of Basswood (not recommended for transparent finishes)
and Okoume having no charge, while Swamp Ash, Western Sugar Pine, and Empress (added 7/1/2024) each having an upcharge.

Note: G&L's main webpage for the Build To Order Finishes list is still listed as Standard, Premier and Metal Flake categories.
And there are some missing finishes and body wood, probably due to that they have not yet shot photos of those missing finishes and body wood.
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SunMaster wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:24 pm Perhaps someone in here can explain to me something I don't understand. It's of no importance, I just wonder :-)

Why are finishes such as greenburst or blueburst premier/more expensive finishes than tobacco sunburst or cherryburst??

Is it just policy, or does it have to do with economy somehow?
Those colors are more expensive from our supplier, and we don't do as many of those as we do a standard 2-tone or 3-tone sunburst.
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Another factor:
As Craig mentioned, we usually do those colors over Ash. That means we also will usually do a "grain enhance" where we stain the body black first, then sand that back so the pores are dark, then spray the undercoat over that. The finish steps involved with those finishes are a lot more involved than typical.
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So would a greenburst or blueburst look decent over an alder body, like the sunbursts do?