I wish G&L would re-make the neck z-coil of the Comanche

The place to discuss, post photos, video, and audio of the G&L products (US instruments, stomp boxes, etc.) produced after 1991, including the amps & gear we use with them.
comanche
Posts: 11
Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:21 am

I wish G&L would re-make the neck z-coil of the Comanche

Post by comanche »

Who's with me?

The neck pickup of the Comanche is a great tone, but I reckon it could do better....

The problem with such a guitar is that you can't just swap out pickups!! Who else makes Z-Coils? No one...
User avatar
DanDoulogos
Posts: 670
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:08 am
Location: Canada

Re: I wish G&L would re-make the neck z-coil of the Comanche

Post by DanDoulogos »

Variety is always better; and on the Bridge pickup there is already some diversity in the William Ray Bridge pickup (they have them in both black and white).

I wouldn't stop there mind you - I'd like to see a bit more variety in the Z-Coil line.
G & L: '08 Comanche (Tribute) | '14 ASAT Classic | '00 ASAT Spec | '21 JB2 (Tribute)
Other: '87 Strat | '05 Heritage CH-157 | '12 Tele Select Koa | '19 MJT Esquire | '18 Taylor | 2015 Chrome Epi Dobro |
Nedmundo
Posts: 33
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:55 am

Re: I wish G&L would re-make the neck z-coil of the Comanche

Post by Nedmundo »

Definitely! I've thought about starting a thread on exactly this topic, because tone-wise, the neck pickup is the only position I'd like to change. It's great for some stuff, but I'd prefer something closer to the glassy twang of a conventional Strat, and the Comanche doesn't quite get there, even with the bass control rolled off. Its thickness is always there, at least in my experience.

I wonder whether a slightly underwound version of the Z-coil would do the trick, but perhaps it would be too bright. Maybe someone like Lindy Fralin could re-wind Z-coils for different tones, but that could be risky and might get expensive.
User avatar
Craig
Site Admin
Posts: 11349
Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:52 am
Location: Either Coto De Caza, CA or Paso Robles, CA

Re: I wish G&L would re-make the neck z-coil of the Comanche

Post by Craig »

Nedmundo wrote:Definitely! I've thought about starting a thread on exactly this topic, because tone-wise, the neck pickup is the only position I'd like to change. It's great for some stuff, but I'd prefer something closer to the glassy twang of a conventional Strat, and the Comanche doesn't quite get there, even with the bass control rolled off. Its thickness is always there, at least in my experience.

I wonder whether a slightly underwound version of the Z-coil would do the trick, but perhaps it would be too bright. Maybe someone like Lindy Fralin could re-wind Z-coils for different tones, but that could be risky and might get expensive.
Just in case you have not seen BoogieBill's post on dialing in the Comanche, see: Comanches For Dummies Redux by BoogieBill,
check it out.

:ugeek:
--Craig [co-webmaster of guitarsbyleo.com, since Oct. 16, 2000]
Welcome! Read This First
Got a G&L question? Check out the: G&L Knowledgebase
Current G&L Specifications and Options
User avatar
Craig
Site Admin
Posts: 11349
Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:52 am
Location: Either Coto De Caza, CA or Paso Robles, CA

Re: I wish G&L would re-make the neck z-coil of the Comanche

Post by Craig »

comanche wrote:Who's with me?

The neck pickup of the Comanche is a great tone, but I reckon it could do better....

The problem with such a guitar is that you can't just swap out pickups!! Who else makes Z-Coils? No one...
What specifically do you think could be done better? :?:
Yes, G&L still holds the patent on the MFD Z-Coils.

Here's a post to check out: Z-Coils in Series vs. Parallel.

:ugeek:
--Craig [co-webmaster of guitarsbyleo.com, since Oct. 16, 2000]
Welcome! Read This First
Got a G&L question? Check out the: G&L Knowledgebase
Current G&L Specifications and Options
comanche
Posts: 11
Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:21 am

Re: I wish G&L would re-make the neck z-coil of the Comanche

Post by comanche »

Don't get me wrong, I do like the pickup - it's my favourite on my Comanche, I just wish there were other tonal options for it, such as you get in regular shaped pickups. I posted my original comment after playing a Strat - there is just something about the neck pickup of a Strat that the Comanche can't reach, and I miss that tone.

The Comanche for dummies is a good read, if not a little gushing, and it rightly makes the point that a Comanche will never sound like a strat, hence the "clear your expectations" starting point. Having said that, the louder I crank my amp, the better a Comanche sounds I reckon, and the difference between a strat and a Comanche disappear somewhat.

BTW, what sound characteristics would you get if you swapped the neck and bridge pickups on a Comanche? I'm assuming there is a physical difference in the 2 types of pickups? What makes a "neck" pickup - is it the number of winds? or something else? What would happen if you put the Will Ray pickup on the neck for instance?
User avatar
Craig
Site Admin
Posts: 11349
Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:52 am
Location: Either Coto De Caza, CA or Paso Robles, CA

Re: I wish G&L would re-make the neck z-coil of the Comanche

Post by Craig »

comanche wrote:Don't get me wrong, I do like the pickup - it's my favourite on my Comanche, I just wish there were other tonal options for it, such as you get in regular shaped pickups. I posted my original comment after playing a Strat - there is just something about the neck pickup of a Strat that the Comanche can't reach, and I miss that tone.

The Comanche for dummies is a good read, if not a little gushing, and it rightly makes the point that a Comanche will never sound like a strat, hence the "clear your expectations" starting point. Having said that, the louder I crank my amp, the better a Comanche sounds I reckon, and the difference between a strat and a Comanche disappear somewhat.

BTW, what sound characteristics would you get if you swapped the neck and bridge pickups on a Comanche? I'm assuming there is a physical difference in the 2 types of pickups? What makes a "neck" pickup - is it the number of winds? or something else? What would happen if you put the Will Ray pickup on the neck for instance?
See: Using a Z-Coil Bridge Pickup in Middle or Neck Position,Under the cover: Z-coil pickup, and Std. Comanche or ASAT Z bridge vs. Will Ray Sig Bridge.

Hope this helps.

:ugeek:
--Craig [co-webmaster of guitarsbyleo.com, since Oct. 16, 2000]
Welcome! Read This First
Got a G&L question? Check out the: G&L Knowledgebase
Current G&L Specifications and Options
comanche
Posts: 11
Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:21 am

Re: I wish G&L would re-make the neck z-coil of the Comanche

Post by comanche »

Cool. Good links - thanks!