Satin vs Gloss necks

[willross]

[Admin Note: I split this part of a previous thread from the G&L Porn!!! sub-forum into a topic of it's own]

Jag,

Both. Also, I can't stand the "satin" necks. It took almost a decade for my S-500 neck to get smooth... Don't have the time to break-in a green neck. The satin's feel like balsa wood to me.


Cheers,

Will

[JagInTheBag]

Jag,

Both. Also, I can't stand the "satin" necks. It took almost a decade for my S-500 neck to get smooth... Don't have the time to break-in a green neck. The satin's feel like balsa wood to me.


Cheers,

Will

Funny, I like satin necks, my hands sweat and gloss gets sticky fast. I was trying out a used vintage F100 Series II today and was immediately reminded. It was an original gold rattlecanned red and orange peel. Almost came home with it, but it was a rough refinish and they were hard assing on the price.

[willross]

If the GbL-2 ends up with satin, I'll live with it. Although I'd like the neck back to be a bit thicker...


Cheers,

Will

[JagInTheBag]

If the GbL-2 ends up with satin, I'll live with it. Although I'd like the neck back to be a bit thicker...


Cheers,

Will

I think we can work it with the ordering dealer to personalize certain things to our individual tastes, treating it like it's own model.

~Patrick

[darwinohm]

I am not a fan of satin either. High gloss for me. That is the way they get anyway after some playing. -- Darwin

[louis cyfer]

I am not a fan of satin either. High gloss for me. That is the way they get anyway after some playing. -- Darwin

i keep sanding the back of each neck so they don't. starts sticking. remember the higher the gloss, the smoother the surface, the higher the friction.

[willross]

"remember the higher the gloss, the smoother the surface, the higher the friction."

Well, Friction is the force resisting the relative motion of solid surfaces, fluid layers, and material elements sliding against each other. So the "smoother" the surface the lesser the coefficient of friction. For example: do your fingers slide easily across sand paper? How about a slide at the park. Is it's surface smooth or satin? Also, "Stickiness" is relative and doesn't sweat just soak in or coat the neck anyway??? It's accumulating due to friction.


Cheers,

Will

[darwinohm]

Right on Will. Poly gloss will not absorb hardly anything. Keep them waxed and clean. Nitro, a different story. A well waxed car is so slippery the cats can't even crawl up on it. They will jump on the hood of my T&C and slide right off.-- Darwin

[JagInTheBag]

Right on Will. Poly gloss will not absorb hardly anything. Keep them waxed and clean. Nitro, a different story. A well waxed car is so slippery the cats can't even crawl up on it. They will jump on the hood of my T&C and slide right off.-- Darwin

What brand do you use Darwin? I need some good anti-cat wax!

[louis cyfer]

"remember the higher the gloss, the smoother the surface, the higher the friction."

Well, Friction is the force resisting the relative motion of solid surfaces, fluid layers, and material elements sliding against each other. So the "smoother" the surface the lesser the coefficient of friction. For example: do your fingers slide easily across sand paper? How about a slide at the park. Is it's surface smooth or satin? Also, "Stickiness" is relative and doesn't sweat just soak in or coat the neck anyway??? It's accumulating due to friction.


Cheers,

Will

actually no. the smoother the surface (like polished lacquer), the more surface you make contact with, therefore more drag. we are talking the same material here. don't get confused with different materials. those comparisons are not valid for this. the courser the sand paper you sand it with(to a degree, some other factors come into play at really course), the less friction you'll have, the easier you move.

sweat is a different issue. i am talking about stickiness without sweating.

[willross]

Come on dude. We are talking about hands against wood or poly-coated wood. I'm not going to break out my friction plane over this... Technically, the raised areas due to the roughness create even more surface area; the small bumps add surface...


Cheers,

Will

[jakkanen]

Come on dude. We are talking about hands against wood or poly-coated wood. I'm not going to break out my friction plane over this... Technically, the raised areas due to the roughness create even more surface area; the small bumps add surface...

On microscopic level, the unevennes of the satin surface causes less of the skin to be in contact with the finish, which reduces molecular adhesion, which reduces friction.

[willross]

Well, that implies the surface has no raised areas smaller than the flexible surface of the skin. Even the grooves of our fingerprints... A rough surface has more surface area. There are more than enough scientists on this forum to chime-in. This place is crawling with them...


Cheers,

Will

[willross]

....also not including the lubricity of the oil from our skin. I do not prefer the satin neck option. To each their own.


Cheers,

Will

[meowmix]

I like Satin on my new S500 and my 15 year old S500. I also have super dry hands.
Tell me what you feel in your hands when you play other types of finishes on a humid day. Thanks

Peter

[willross]

I understand that "feel" and science don't always agree... That old S-500 neck is fairly smooth by now too. When I'm sweating on stage, no neck feels good. As I stated before, I prefer a glossier neck.


Cheers,

Will

[willross]

Just looking over my sciencey rebuttals... Sure beats making music; not. As for the GbL-2: I'll take anything and be grateful.


Cheers,

Will

[louis cyfer]

Come on dude. We are talking about hands against wood or poly-coated wood. I'm not going to break out my friction plane over this... Technically, the raised areas due to the roughness create even more surface area; the small bumps add surface...

On microscopic level, the unevennes of the satin surface causes less of the skin to be in contact with the finish, which reduces molecular adhesion, which reduces friction.

indeed.

[louis cyfer]

Well, that implies the surface has no raised areas smaller than the flexible surface of the skin. Even the grooves of our fingerprints... A rough surface has more surface area. There are more than enough scientists on this forum to chime-in. This place is crawling with them...


Cheers,

Will

you might want to think about that again. not total surface, but contact surface.

[willross]

Unless someone turns this thread into a song, it's a waste of time. So, unless you are a scientist or seasoned pro guitarist, let it go. I've seen no evidence of eiher. Plus I'm growing tired of hearing that rough is smooth from a dragon...


Cheers,

Will

[Philby]

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[blargfromouterspace]

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[louis cyfer]

Unless someone turns this thread into a song, it's a waste of time. So, unless you are a scientist or seasoned pro guitarist, let it go. I've seen no evidence of eiher. Plus I'm growing tired of hearing that rough is smooth from a dragon...


Cheers,

Will

not rough is smooth. common practice among pool pros to sand the last third of cues to make them slide easier, to get rid of the high gloss finish. on high priced cues you can even see where the satin area begins to achieve the same effect.

[JagInTheBag]

I'll answer this empirically, the neck that is most comfortable to play is one that has a tung oil hand rub finish, satin is a close second. I think the F100 neck I was playing had a nitro finish- glossy AND sticky. Poly gloss is smoother than glossy nitro to the feel of my hands.