LUNCH REPORT for Wednesday, May 23, 2012

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LUNCH REPORT for Wednesday, May 23, 2012

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Thanks again for the great responses yesterday. There sure are a lot of choices for guitar buyers, and in the end that’s good for us! G&L does offer a pretty good value, and with all the new variations they’re coming out with there’s darn near something for everyone.

I’m probably going to be stuck in my office this morning putting out fires. Not the best way to spend part of the day, but a necessary part of the job. I’m sure we all have parts of our job that we really don’t like, except for gw, who just packs it in and takes the band on the road. The best advice I ever heard in regards to dealing with some of the more dreaded tasks at work was to a secretary/clerk. She admitted to hating - absolutely hating - about 20% of her job. Her boss asked why she spent 80% of her time dwelling on the 20% she didn’t like? Get it done and get away from it!

LUNCH:
I’ll probably be home for lunch, unless I get the fires put out early. If I’m here, I’ll probably have a bowl of tomato basil soup. I think we have Campbell’s Select Harvest, or some other low cal brand. It’s pretty good and is good for ya. I’ll add an apple and a big glass of water.

G&L TOPIC:
Short scale necks? G&L wound alnico single coils instead of MFD’s? Breaking the mold? Why not??

I’ve checked in a few times and some of the discussions are almost word-for-word in line with previous discussions on the GbL. When the Tribute series came out, some thought it was a great idea while others felt it signaled armageddon. Our emotions can really take over when we feel passionate about a product/company, etc. The G&L fan base is no different.

While I like my ASAT, that body style is not my first choice. (although I keep buying them and eventually sell them.) My hands always seem to be in the wrong place. I thought about trying a short scale neck to see if that would help, but I haven’t gotten around to it yet. It’d be a pricey experiment, for sure. Probably not worth the money.

How do you feel about G&L stepping outside their comfort zone and trying something new? I know there were real mixed reactions to the Ascari and Fiorano, and the passion showed when the discussion turned to the Cort connection. Do you think it’d be worthwhile to try a short scale neck for the ASAT? I believe G&L wound alnico pickups for the JD ASAT, so why not offer an alnico pickup version of the ASAT Classic, or would they just be entering a market that is already flooded with fan favorites? What about a Legacy with a Robin Ranger type set-up? I’m fascinated by that arrangement and could be tempted to pull the trigger on something like this if G&L put together this configuration. Yea, this one is ugly as hell, but imagine a Legacy with an ASAT Classic bridge, single coil middle, and a G&L wound hummer in the neck. Tempting . . . very tempting.

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For me, I think companies need to push themselves in new directions to test the waters. It’s about growth and discovering untapped markets, but it has to be well thought out and done with specific goals in mind. Sometimes companies strike gold, while others are scraping dookie off their boots!

NON-G&L TOPIC:
Boo-teek amps? Yesterday we touched on boutique guitars. I thought we might as well talk about boutique amps while we’re here.

I really liked my vintage Fender amps. I had a couple Princeton Reverbs (’68 and ’74), a Deluxe Reverb (’73), and a Vibrolux Reverb (’73). I believe the Vibrolux resides with our own Webmaster Craig.

I was happy as could be with my old Fenders till I drove through Dayton, Ohio and stopped at a dealer to check out the Tribute series guitars when they first came out. Yes, the guitars were nice, but they plugged me into a Carr Rambler and that amp has haunted me ever since! I eventually sold my vintage gear and started a journey that led me through Rivera, Bogner, Mesa, and eventually to Dr Z and Top Hat. I totally dig my Dr Z MAZ-18. Great amp, and very versatile. My Top Hat is kind of cool in that it’ll take 6V6’s, 6L6’s, or EL34’s without having to bias the amp. Pretty handy.

As I recall, we had some interesting amps on the old GbL. Some real interesting vintage gear, some hand wired high end stuff, and I think gw wanted a Two Rock. Not sure if that happened or not. Did you ever get that amp, GDub? I know Jay has some real cool gear from Carr, Chicago Blues Box, Swart, etc, and some vintage Fender amps.

Have you checked out any boutique amps? Got a favorite? Sticking with the vintage stuff, or is a Hot Rod Deluxe more than enough? I know an astounding player here in the Detroit area who owns tons of vintage gear - Marshall, Fender, everything. He’s a gigging professional, studio, union jobs, you name it - he can do it. His gigging amp of choice??? A Hot Rod Deville. Clean headroom, fat sound, and takes pedals like nothing else. I keep telling myself, if it’s good enough for him . . . but I don’t listen!

See you later . . .
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Ches wrote:
How do you feel about G&L stepping outside their comfort zone and trying something new? I know there were real mixed reactions to the Ascari and Fiorano, and the passion showed when the discussion turned to the Cort connection. Do you think it’d be worthwhile to try a short scale neck for the ASAT? I believe G&L wound alnico pickups for the JD ASAT, so why not offer an alnico pickup version of the ASAT Classic, or would they just be entering a market that is already flooded with fan favorites? What about a Legacy with a Robin Ranger type set-up? I’m fascinated by that arrangement and could be tempted to pull the trigger on something like this if G&L put together this configuration. Yea, this one is ugly as hell, but imagine a Legacy with an ASAT Classic bridge, single coil middle, and a G&L wound hummer in the neck. Tempting . . . very tempting.
I'd like to see G&L offer more Alnico pickups. After years of playing G&L guitars I've finally decided that MFD pickups aren't for me. A Legacy with a Robin, Ranger pickup set up would definitely get my attention! I've been wanting a Ranger for years. A shorter scale neck option might be nice. I like 25" scale necks a lot.



Ches wrote:
Have you checked out any boutique amps? Got a favorite? Sticking with the vintage stuff, or is a Hot Rod Deluxe more than enough? I know an astounding player here in the Detroit area who owns tons of vintage gear - Marshall, Fender, everything. He’s a gigging professional, studio, union jobs, you name it - he can do it. His gigging amp of choice??? A Hot Rod Deville. Clean headroom, fat sound, and takes pedals like nothing else. I keep telling myself, if it’s good enough for him . . . but I don’t listen!
I've owned a few boutique amps, but I've always kept a vintage Fender or two around! I'm a big fan of the Princeton models. I have a '56 narrow panel tweed Princeton and a '71 Princeton Reverb. Last week I purchased a '97 Top Hat, Club Royale. I'm still tinkering with it and so far I'm quite satisfied with it.


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I'm all for companies stepping over the edge of their box or niche at times. Some win, some lose, but usually something good comes out of it. I also remember the uproar over the introduction of the Tribute series. Then Guitar Player magazine gave a very positive review of them & awarded them the Editor's Pick status. I've owned several since then, & still have 2 as keepers. One is a mighty pretty Tobaccoburst Legacy that is as fine as any guitar I've owned in the "under $1,000" class - yet it sold for half that much. And because I got it slightly used, I paid about $300. Now it's impossible to find a $300 guitar anywhere to match that bargain. I have 2 Fullerton-made Legacies & it rivals them in every way.

I also have one of the newer Premium woods carved top Tribute ASAT Specials. Oh, my goodness, what at beauty & player. Outstanding guitar; outstanding value. All guitars have increased in price & quality over time, I still say the Tribute line has the best value out there.

Booteek amps, you say? I still love my Chicago Blues Box 18W, Fuchs ODS30, Dr Z, & Mesa Transatlantic 15 rig, but I'd have to be threatened with my life before I'd give up my '73 Fender Deluxe Reverb or my Carr Rambler. Everything in the harem sounds its best through either of them. With a gun to my head, I might choose the Rambler over the DR; but I'd hate to lose either. Can't beat the DR for blues & rock, but I likes dat Ramber for sweet jazz tones & country. I don't do much dirty stuff, so as long as I can get some good cleans with occasional overdrive, those 2 cover anything I enjoy most. And both have a lot of sweet spots.

I don't consider myself an expert on guitars or amps, but the innovations in guitars have caught my eyes & ears more. And so far, G&L innovations have been impressive. Leo started it. BBE has kept a good thing good. But leave amps alone.
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I like where G&L is going. I'm ordering a 2012 Special Collection ASAT Classic S (quartersawn) to pair-up w/ my Anderson. The Baltic Amber PG is good, but a black PG or black bakelite?

Boo-teek amps. I use Soldano exclusively and they go well w/ MFD's.

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Boo-teek amps? Currently running through a Vox AC-15, not exactly boutique.. does a handmade amp count? hand wired wf 55 tweed style count?Image
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Sprinter 92 wrote: I'd like to see G&L offer more Alnico pickups. After years of playing G&L guitars I've finally decided that MFD pickups aren't for me. A Legacy with a Robin, Ranger pickup set up would definitely get my attention! I've been wanting a Ranger for years. A shorter scale neck option might be nice. I like 25" scale necks a lot.

I've owned a few boutique amps, but I've always kept a vintage Fender or two around! I'm a big fan of the Princeton models. I have a '56 narrow panel tweed Princeton and a '71 Princeton Reverb. Last week I purchased a '97 Top Hat, Club Royale. I'm still tinkering with it and so far I'm quite satisfied with it.
My interest in the Ranger has really peaked lately. I like a Tele bridge, but really don't care for the way a Tele hangs on a strap. The Ranger seems to be a good mix. I like your suggestion of a 25" scale length, too.

I like your taste in amps! Vintage Fender and a Top Hat. Tough to beat!
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Jaystrings wrote:I also have one of the newer Premium woods carved top Tribute ASAT Specials. Oh, my goodness, what at beauty & player. Outstanding guitar; outstanding value. All guitars have increased in price & quality over time, I still say the Tribute line has the best value out there.

Booteek amps, you say? I still love my Chicago Blues Box 18W, Fuchs ODS30, Dr Z, & Mesa Transatlantic 15 rig, but I'd have to be threatened with my life before I'd give up my '73 Fender Deluxe Reverb or my Carr Rambler. Everything in the harem sounds its best through either of them. With a gun to my head, I might choose the Rambler over the DR; but I'd hate to lose either. Can't beat the DR for blues & rock, but I likes dat Ramber for sweet jazz tones & country. I don't do much dirty stuff, so as long as I can get some good cleans with occasional overdrive, those 2 cover anything I enjoy most. And both have a lot of sweet spots.
That carved top ASAT appears to be a real good value for the money. They all look good!

I'm not sure which I like better - your guitar collection or your amp collection. I'd like to hear that Fuchs. I've heard the rest and they're all good!
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willross wrote:I like where G&L is going. I'm ordering a 2012 Special Collection ASAT Classic S (quartersawn) to pair-up w/ my Anderson. The Baltic Amber PG is good, but a black PG or black bakelite?

Boo-teek amps. I use Soldano exclusively and they go well w/ MFD's.

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Cheers,

Will
It'll be interesting to read your impression of the Special Collection ASAT when it arrives. As for the Soldano . . . nice, nice amp . . . but it's not a lefty!! ;)

Speaking of lefty's . . . I saw an ad on TGP for a couple left handed G&L's. I suppose I should put this in the PSA, but I didn't want you to miss it!
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oneeyedog wrote:Boo-teek amps? Currently running through a Vox AC-15, not exactly boutique.. does a handmade amp count? hand wired wf 55 tweed style count?Image
NEED MORE INFO!!! Got any gut shot porn? Sound clips? Pretty cool. Did you build it yourself?
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NEED MORE INFO!!! Got any gut shot porn? Sound clips? Pretty cool. Did you build it yourself?[/quote]
built it from a kit by . http://www.ampmaker.com/store/home.php?cat= Not all that expensive... approx $200.
I'll get some more pictures if you are interested. I bought an old tweed style amp really cheap and ripped the guts out of it to house this one. Hoped to sell some at the rehearsal rooms but noone is buying!! tried buildind a few pedals as well but same result! damn recession!!
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oneeyedog wrote: built it from a kit by . http://www.ampmaker.com/store/home.php?cat= Not all that expensive... approx $200.
I'll get some more pictures if you are interested. I bought an old tweed style amp really cheap and ripped the guts out of it to house this one. Hoped to sell some at the rehearsal rooms but noone is buying!! tried buildind a few pedals as well but same result! damn recession!!
That's pretty cool. I bet it was fun building the kit. A buddy of mine built a tweed clone. Turned out pretty good and he said it wasn't that hard, as long as you know how to solder. Looks like you did a nice job - real clean. I could use a practice amp . . . hmmm . . . maybe I'll build a kit!
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Jaystrings wrote:I'm all for companies stepping over the edge of their box or niche at times. Some win, some lose, but usually something good comes out of it. I also remember the uproar over the introduction of the Tribute series. Then Guitar Player magazine gave a very positive review of them & awarded them the Editor's Pick status. I've owned several since then, & still have 2 as keepers. One is a mighty pretty Tobaccoburst Legacy that is as fine as any guitar I've owned in the "under $1,000" class - yet it sold for half that much. And because I got it slightly used, I paid about $300. Now it's impossible to find a $300 guitar anywhere to match that bargain. I have 2 Fullerton-made Legacies & it rivals them in every way.

I also have one of the newer Premium woods carved top Tribute ASAT Specials. Oh, my goodness, what at beauty & player. Outstanding guitar; outstanding value. All guitars have increased in price & quality over time, I still say the Tribute line has the best value out there.

Booteek amps, you say? I still love my Chicago Blues Box 18W, Fuchs ODS30, Dr Z, & Mesa Transatlantic 15 rig, but I'd have to be threatened with my life before I'd give up my '73 Fender Deluxe Reverb or my Carr Rambler. Everything in the harem sounds its best through either of them. With a gun to my head, I might choose the Rambler over the DR; but I'd hate to lose either. Can't beat the DR for blues & rock, but I likes dat Ramber for sweet jazz tones & country. I don't do much dirty stuff, so as long as I can get some good cleans with occasional overdrive, those 2 cover anything I enjoy most. And both have a lot of sweet spots.

I don't consider myself an expert on guitars or amps, but the innovations in guitars have caught my eyes & ears more. And so far, G&L innovations have been impressive. Leo started it. BBE has kept a good thing good. But leave amps alone.
so threatening you with your death won't make you give up those amps, but threatening you with your life will? is your life that bad?

i care not for short scale guitars, i need all the room i can get, i'd like a 26" scale or so.

i have some decent amps. i have a heritage kenny burrell signature but i am selling it, i want to get a two rock custom reverb signature. i have been mainly using my ots 50, and like the dumble style amps more and more.
i have done the mesa and other semi booteek amps, and was not happy with the results. i have only somewhat liked the mesa transatlantic 30.
i have an ampeg vintage reverberocket, and i was looking at the carr ramblers until i got to use one head to head against my ampeg, and the ampeg was much better. i still love my 57 tweed deluxe and my 40th anniversary twin. i am also selling my 96 59 bassman ri. for me it's all in the clean, a good od channel is only frosting on there for me. a single channel clean amp is all i need if it's really good. the two rock clean channel is just ridiculously good. my other gas list is a redplate blackverb duo.
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Ches, I had lunch out today with a group of guys older than me!

I am all for G&L trying different pickups. I would like to see some TV Jones or Filtertrons in an ASAT. Anything that sounds good would be fine. I have a short scale but like the 25.5. I also like the Tributes but do not have on at this time.

I have tried several different amps and some are good and I have had a bad one. I still have not found a better amp for me than my Custom Twin 65 15. Itis a perfect clean amp. I have looked at boo-teeks and nothing has followed me home except for this. It did follow me home but it wasn't just for the tone. It is sweet to look at. Here is my Valve Train setup. The Spring Thing is on the top.-- Darwin

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here is a pic of the amps (well most of them, a few are missing form the pic)

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louis cyfer wrote:
i have some decent amps.
I guess you do! That's a pretty nice list. I played through some old Ampeg's years ago and they were damn nice. Big, full cleans.
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darwinohm wrote: Image
That's one cool flame job on that amp and cab! Is that a standard finish for Valve Train? How could you NOT bring that home?? Very nice. :thumbup:
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Ches, it is not a standard Valve Train color. It was done by their custom shop to match the custom Gadow hanging above it. Both the guitar and amp set are a spectacular flame job! Thanks.-- Darwin
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I love a good amp. I think a good amp is more important than a good guitar. Like Louis, the clean is most important for me. My main amp is a Sherlock - made about 10km from my house. It's a tweaked Bassman preamp on an EL84 power amp, valve rectifier too. It sounds fantastic, and I got it used at a bargain price.
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Gut shot porn - true point-to-point, no board at all
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My other amp is also made around here but in the '70s. This one is PTP wired too, but there's a board in there. It's in need of new filter caps and valves, which will be a neat holiday project.
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As for companies steeping out of comfort zones, it's a good thing. A local company, Maton have recently released this guitar. Maton have been around forever and never made anything like this before. The shape is an old one but the telecaster theme is new for them. How many tele themed guitars have a Charlie Christian pickup as standard? That's a bold move. I just might pick one up soon, go for an almost all Australian made rig!
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I'm sometimes of the opinion that companies should stick to what they do best. If you go into an Italian pasta place and order the egg-foo-yung, you are probably going to be disappointed.

Yet, if you are G&L, making set-neck guitars, and you see potential for a quality made, mid-priced set-neck 2HB guitar--you introduce the Fiorano and the Ascari. You're not having to invest heavily in new tooling, since you're having it built off-shore by a company who has experience similar instruments. You might as well go for a share of that market. But be careful...if you start building bicycle frames out of the left-over scrap wood from you guitar building operation--you might be biting off more than you can chew.


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I've owned the following amps:

Kalamazoo Model Two
BF Fender Bandmaster and 212 cab (1965?), stolen in 1972
Gibson SS Medalist 410
SUNN Solos II 212
Fender Super Champ
Fender 1965 Deluxe Reverb
Fender 1964 BF Tremolus and 210 cab
Marshall JCM 800 model 4010 112 50-watt combo
Fender 75 with Fender 112 EV Force cab
SF MV Twin Reverb 212

I've also played quite a bit on a couple of borrowed Marshalls: an early JTM 45 and JMP half-stacks; and a JCM 900 100-watt 112 combo. And on BF and SF Dual Showmans.

But when push came to shove and I needed to pay the rent, I sold the vintage amps and kept the Mesas. The Mesas were making me money.

I still own the SUNN, and I own a Randall Commander 115 combo and a PV Combo 300 for bass, and a couple of new Acoustic AB-50s that I can use for the acoustic guitar, bass or drum machine.

I currently have the following Mesa amps:

DC-3 112 V-30 Combo
Mark III 112 EVM Combo, Reverb, EQ, Simul-Class, Red Stripe
Mark III 112Celestion G-100 Combo, Reverb, EQ, Simul-Class, Blue Stripe
Mark IV 112 EVM Combo, Reverb, EQ, Simul-Class
Mark III 200-watt Coliseum head, Reverb, EQ
(2) Maverick 212 V30 Combos (I'm trying to sell one.)

I'm obviously amp rich at the moment. I like my Mesas, and I have them in different sizes, so I can handle different venues easily. I have several Mesa cabs, too: 112 EVM Theiles, 212 Recto, and 212 and 412 Half-back cabs. I like the build-quality of Mesa gear; they have been VERY reliable, and not only do they get the sound I want, but every guitar seems to sound good through them. I can see why people might prefer the Fender clean tone over the Mesa, but the Mesas have worked very well in every band situation I've been in. And the lead tone? NO transistor distortion is EVER going to sound as good as the Mesa lead channels. I can't imagine what kind of amp I would play if I couldn't use a Mesa.

Boutique stuff is pretty had to come by up here in the Pacific NW. I'm sure I could find something, maybe Matchless, Badcat, Fuchs, or even Marshall I suppose--but I'd bet a dollar that the next amp I buy will be a....Mesa!

When I do a short-scale guitar, I prefer a 2HB, and it is going to be a Gibson. I actually do pretty well with out-of the box guitars, rather than boutique stuff. I'm probably not the guy that is going to spend $400 on a pedal when I can get one from Boss that will do the job for $80. The G&L Legacys, Comanches, S-500s and Legacy Specials I play ARE boutique instruments in my book. They are based on traditional designs, yet these guitars have the RIGHT combinations of upgrades to a vintage Strat--upgrades that make for a better guitar without losing the soul of the original instrument.

But I also like "quirky" instruments, to a point. My Music Man Sabre IIs fit that category--they were a real change from the standard fare offered back in the late '70s. I suspect that if I'd been exposed to them back in the day, I might have become a Steinberger or Parker Fly advocate. But these days, I'm very happy that the G&L instruments fit my needs so well. I can't really see myself commissioning a custom built dreadnought acoustic from a small luthier, when I'm so happy with the Martins I have.

So my tastes are for high quality instruments, amps and pedals that offer good value. In the end, you have to be true to yourself and your values. I've found what works for me, and I'm really happy with the gear I have and the choices I've made.

And happy is GOOD!

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Jamie, you sure posted some cool stuff. That CAR Red Maton would be just perfect. It is a sweet looking rig. -- Darwin
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Ches wrote:As I recall, we had some interesting amps on the old GbL. Some real interesting vintage gear, some hand wired high end stuff, and I think gw wanted a Two Rock. Not sure if that happened or not. Did you ever get that amp, GDub?
Nope. I went way cheaper but still stayed local and bought a Mesa Express 5:25 1x12. Great amp, BTW. Mesa Boogie and Two Rock are both less than 10 miles from my house. Bottom line, for me, a Two Rock is WAY overkill. If all I was after was TONE TONE TONE, maybe... Great sounding amps, but VERY expensive.

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blargfromouterspace wrote:I love a good amp. I think a good amp is more important than a good guitar.

As for companies steeping out of comfort zones, it's a good thing. A local company, Maton have recently released this guitar.
Cool gear, Jamie! Bassman preamp and EL84's make for a great amp. I dig that guitar, too! Hey, why not go for an "All Aussie" rig?
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Boogie Bill wrote: But when push came to shove and I needed to pay the rent, I sold the vintage amps and kept the Mesas.
Bill
You were, and still are, the Mesa king! Man, you've got some nice gear, and I'm glad to hear you're still making money with it!
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GDub wrote:Nope. I went way cheaper but still stayed local and bought a Mesa Express 5:25 1x12. Great amp, BTW. Mesa Boogie and Two Rock are both less than 10 miles from my house. Bottom line, for me, a Two Rock is WAY overkill. If all I was after was TONE TONE TONE, maybe... Great sounding amps, but VERY expensive.

--GDub
I checked out a 5:25 a month or two ago. I think if I wanted a 2-channel amp, that'd be it. And I agree, the Two Rock is way too expensive. Heck, I have a hard time justifying what I have now.
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Ches wrote:
GDub wrote:Nope. I went way cheaper but still stayed local and bought a Mesa Express 5:25 1x12. Great amp, BTW. Mesa Boogie and Two Rock are both less than 10 miles from my house. Bottom line, for me, a Two Rock is WAY overkill. If all I was after was TONE TONE TONE, maybe... Great sounding amps, but VERY expensive.

--GDub
I checked out a 5:25 a month or two ago. I think if I wanted a 2-channel amp, that'd be it. And I agree, the Two Rock is way too expensive. Heck, I have a hard time justifying what I have now.
that is the beauty of not being married. i don't have to. look at it this way, i was considering a dumble original sss. so the two rock is a big step down in price.
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talking about booteek amps, aerosmith on american idol performing, joe perry had like every bootteek amp piled up and managed to get one of the worst tones of all time. i mean it was fuzzy and fizzy and lacked definition and sustain, thin basically just an ugly sound. like a cheap solid state amp struggling when pushed with some digital clipping added on top for good measure. he had marshall, friedman, budda, morris and a few other amps, easily more than 50k worth of amps and cabs to achieve a truly horrific sound.
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louis cyfer wrote:talking about booteek amps, aerosmith on american idol performing, joe perry had like every bootteek amp piled up and managed to get one of the worst tones of all time. i mean it was fuzzy and fizzy and lacked definition and sustain, thin basically just an ugly sound. like a cheap solid state amp struggling when pushed with some digital clipping added on top for good measure. he had marshall, friedman, budda, morris and a few other amps, easily more than 50k worth of amps and cabs to achieve a truly horrific sound.
A bit like Slash? :lol: .
Ches wrote: Cool gear, Jamie! Bassman preamp and EL84's make for a great amp. I dig that guitar, too! Hey, why not go for an "All Aussie" rig?
Thanks Ches - if only you could hear it. I'm on an Australian gear kick this year. Up until this year I've always ignored Aussie gear in general, but it's really good. These Maton electrics are really nice to play and I'll definitely be getting one soon. It's between one of them or an MI Audio Iron Duke...
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Re: LUNCH REPORT for Wednesday, May 23, 2012

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blargfromouterspace wrote:
louis cyfer wrote:talking about booteek amps, aerosmith on american idol performing, joe perry had like every bootteek amp piled up and managed to get one of the worst tones of all time. i mean it was fuzzy and fizzy and lacked definition and sustain, thin basically just an ugly sound. like a cheap solid state amp struggling when pushed with some digital clipping added on top for good measure. he had marshall, friedman, budda, morris and a few other amps, easily more than 50k worth of amps and cabs to achieve a truly horrific sound.
A bit like Slash? :lol: .
actually as much as i hate slash's tone, this was way worse. the playing was on par though, very sloppy, missing the bends, notes etc.
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havent been around much, but love all of those amps.

I only have one, but thought I would buy a booteek one. I have a custom, one off MORRIS. Glenn Morris is a great guy and lives a few miles from me, he makes each amp by hand and each one is different.

Mine is a 20 watt, 1-12 eminence red fang speaker, has a separate 2 watt distortion channel (with 2 drive settings).

The clean is super clean and the amp sounds fantastic at .5 all the way to 10. Perfect for the house or even a hall.

Here's some shots, the MORRIS sticker fell off, ha.

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As for guitar scales, my duesenberg is a longer scale guitar but I really dont notice much difference at my level.
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astutzmann wrote:havent been around much, but love all of those amps.

I only have one, but thought I would buy a booteek one. I have a custom, one off MORRIS. Glenn Morris is a great guy and lives a few miles from me, he makes each amp by hand and each one is different.

Mine is a 20 watt, 1-12 eminence red fang speaker, has a separate 2 watt distortion channel (with 2 drive settings).

The clean is super clean and the amp sounds fantastic at .5 all the way to 10. Perfect for the house or even a hall.
That looks like a pretty cool amp. I bet a 2-watt distortion channel COOKS!