Luch report for Thursday, October 27th, 2011

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Luch report for Thursday, October 27th, 2011

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Lunch: Well…….more like breakfast, I was up late playing and recording.
Fried eggs and toast….my typical breakfast for morning, noon or night!



G&L Topic: Tribute vs Tribute.

When I first played a tribute some years back, I didn’t realize it was an import. I thought I was playing a USA ASAT and I've always dug the ASAT. When the sales guy came over to me I asked how much it was. When he told me I assumed it was used and asked how old it was. When he told me it was a new Tribute, I was shocked that it played so well and the tone was killer. Not to say that imports are bad, but I feel they do lack some quality in build and tone that their American counterparts are known for.
I own several imports, so I’m not bashing imports by any means, but I do usually gig with my USA guitars and sometimes an import as my second guitar.
Alright, I’m a little off where I wanted to go…..comparing oranges to oranges, has anyone noticed the quality difference between the first years of the tributes and the quality of the Tributes today? I still think the Tributes are some of the best imports, but not as stellar as they were at first. Thoughts? :)


Non G&L Topic: Guns and concealed carry weapons permits. :BangBang:

Guns and guitars sure go together, why I’m not sure, but there are tons of guitar players that I know personally or from chat rooms, bb’s, face book, etc. that are very pro gun. While I’m not a hunter, I do enjoy going out and shooting at the range or in the back yard (Pellet guns or low powered .22) as I find it very relaxing. Last year I bought a Glock 23 (.40cal) :BangBang: and I carry it in my car whenever I’m gigging, rehearsing or when I transporting equipment. I have never had a CCW permit but I am going to be getting one in about a week or two. In my state it is a requirement that you complete an 8 hour class that includes semi-auto and revolver shooting and basic safety and state law pertaining to CCW permits. I just feel that it would be nice not to have to leave my gun in the vehicle and I really want the added safety that carrying a firearm affords me. Any shooters/hunters that have their CCW permit or going to get one soon?
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I have never owned or even played a Tribute, so I can't help you much there. But from what I hear, they are an excellent value - and I like the fact that the pickups are the same ones featured in the USA models.

Guns: I enjoy squeezing off a few rounds from time to time, but I do not own a gun and wouldn't considering having one around the house so long as I've got little kids running around. - ed
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I've only ever played a couple of Tributes. One was an early Japanese made one which, in my memory at least, could hold a candle to any American made guitar out there.

If I were to carry a handgun around here I'd be locked away for a very long time. Australia tightened gun laws after the Port Arthur Massacre. Honestly, and I don't meant to offend anyone, but I think it's sad state of affairs when people feel the need to carry guns to protect themselves. I'm not anti-guns - if I had the means I'd be out hunting on the weekends - but the idea of people who aren't police walking around with guns in their coats is kind of frightening.
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I was going to post 3 hours ago but was sidetracked by an insignificant brainstorm.

I had a 2003 Tribute Asat Special, MIK I believe and it was a very nice guitar. The paint and finish was outstanding and the only thing that was not comparable to the American that I have was the neck. The action could not be set quite as low as the fret work was not as level as the Americans that I own. Besides, it was Candy Apple Red and quite a looker.

I am not a hunter and do not pack heat! We had a situation here about a week ago where a fellow robbed an elderly lady and was packing heat. A witness chased the guy and happened to be a witness who had a permit to carry and he was packing heat. They scuffled and the robber was killed. The witness immediately called the police and related the whole story. It is now up to the local prosecutor and a grand jury to decide if any charges will be brought. Lesson there to be learned, but unfortunately the robber was in no condition to learn. I am fortunate in that guns would only be another item to collect and I don't have room and am in enough trouble already.-- Darwin :shocked003:
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First tribute I played was a Korean made ASAT special. The sound was unbelievable.

I had a Tribute Invader XL also Korean made (I already traded it in for store credit getting ready to purchase my next G&L which I thought
was going to be a USA Invader XL but I'm not so sure now). I really liked this Tribute Invader XL but I wanted to get a better build quality.

Neither dealer near me has any Indonesian tribute and they won't order any because they are now stocking strictly USA models only.

I like the bite of the long scale but the Ascari is one of the sweetest sounding short scale guitars around IMO. I was thinking I would get a USA Fiorano instead of the USA Invader but there is no telling when the Ascari and Fiorano USA models will go into production - Craig said there are other priorities at the factory.

I'm really impressed by the Tribute ASAT Deluxe carve tops but I need the #3 neck or the 1 11/16" of the Fiorano. I wish the USA ASAT deluxe had a carved top option.

If I end up getting the Tribute Fiorano GTS I'll be sure to give a users report here on the forum. I find it takes me at least a few months of regular playing to really get to know a particular guitar (and model). I know what the Invader is and I like it. So I may get the Fiorano to try it with the intention of selling and ultimately ordering either a USA ASAT Deluxe, USA Invader XL, or eventually a USA FIorano when it comes available. It will take me time to sort out which one I'll want the most. If I didn't intend on reselling the tribute Fiorano I would saw about 1.5" off the upper horn even if it became neck heavy so that the upper horn stopped at the 16th fret line. I would take about 0.75" off the tip of the lower horn. I realize why they did the upper horn the way they did so the guitar would balance and hence the need to visually balance the lower horn. I don't like the look of the Ibanez RG horns for example.

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blargfromouterspace wrote: Honestly, and I don't meant to offend anyone, but I think it's sad state of affairs when people feel the need to carry guns to protect themselves. I'm not anti-guns - if I had the means I'd be out hunting on the weekends - but the idea of people who aren't police walking around with guns in their coats is kind of frightening.
No offense at all. My way of thinking is that I hope to never use my gun, but I would hate to be in a situation that I would need it and not have it. The frightening thing is all the criminals with guns and fewer and fewer police to help the law abiding citizen. Even if we outlawed guns, people find a way to get them and use them for crime. At least where I'm at they require you to take a course and know the laws. Some states don't require that you shoot the weapons to get a CCW permit.
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Playing “catsup” again….


Monday (Ed):

I can’t say my G&Ls have helped me capture anyone’s heart, but I have seduced many a young thing with my Martin D-18 and D-28; and before that, my Harmony Sovereign Jumbo.

(Which is why I learned to play guitar in the first place!) :luv:

Oh, and there are several deals I wish undone: like trading a c.1970 ES-330 Long Neck for a Univox drum machine. :o

I have long regretted trading for the ES-150DCN. My 1969 ash Telecaster Thinline was stolen in 1972. I did manage to get it back a few weeks later, but the guy had mucked it up a bit, and I traded it for the beautiful blonde 150 that turned out to be a dog. I should have repaired the Tele.

And I regret letting myself into such a financial bind in 2000 that I had to let go of my Marshall 4010 combo, my 1965 Deluxe Reverb, my 1964 Tremolux and my Super Champ. That was a horrible time for me, depressing and demoralizing. And I lost pieces I can probably never replace.

But I survived.


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Monday (Sean):

Neck sizes do matter a little to me. I have preferences, of course, but I have so many guitars I’ve learned to adapt quickly to different necks. I have a bunch of G&Ls, but I also have 12-strings, Martin dreads with 3 different profiles, Gibson 1960 Slim Tapers, a Gibson 1958 Historic LP with a baseball bat neck, a skinny little 5-string banjo neck, and the Taylor acoustic. I seem to manage going from 1-5/8’s to 1-11/16’s to 1-3/4’s without too much problem. The 2” wide necks on classic guitars has always given me problems. A deep V neck, like on the Martin D-18 Golden Era is right at my limit for comfort. I’m not real fond of the 7.25 or 7.5” radius necks anymore. Guitars like the EC Strat or the George Fullerton Signature with the tiny frets, small radius and V-profile aren’t my favorites.

Of the ones I have, I’d say the G&L #1 neck with the medium-jumbo frets on my Legacy-bodied guitars tops my list. The Martin 1-11/16” Modified Low Profile neck is probably the best acoustic neck for me. Of the Gibsons, my two 1960 VOS Tobaccoburst Historic Les Pauls have a 1960 Slim-Taper neck that is slightly fuller than all of the other Slim-taper necks I have, and that is by far my favorite Gibson neck. Feels like it fits my hand perfectly, as do the other two from G&L and Martin.

And no, I’m not a gardener, though I should be. I do appreciate all of the hard work that goes into it.


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Tuesday:

As to body styles, I admit to being a Legacy/Strat man, much preferring them to the ASAT/Tele style. I’m not big on pointy guitars; but remember that the Explorer/Flying V/Moderne body styles are only 5-6 years younger than the Tele body. Yep, that kid’s GRANDPA could have been rocking an Explorer or Vee!!!.


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Wednesday:

Again, lap steel is not my thing, but I would think that a Saddle-Lock would perform quite well.

I like my Mesa Boogie Amps. Been using a Boogie since about 1995. I hung onto the Boogies when I had to let the other amps go, because the Boogies were making me money. A good clean tone is VERY important to me, because I play mostly clean. I’m not using a lot of crunch rhythm tones in my current band. The Boogie Lead Channel is like no other. You can’t get that tone from a pedal. When I started playing a Boogie, I started getting a lot more compliments on my tone and the quality of my solos. My amp helped me become a better player.

I have quite a few amps at the moment:

The littlest one is a DC-3 112 V30 combo.

Next is a Mark III 112 EVM combo with reverb, graphic EQ and Simul-Class (red stripe) in blonde tolex, which is very rare. I have a matching 112 EVM Theile cabinet, too. Very sweet!

Last year, I picked up another Mark III 112 blue stripe combo with reverb, graphic EQ, Simul-Class, and a Celestion 100 speaker.

I have two blonde Maverick 212 V30 combos, one is going on Craigslist this week.

I have an early Mark IV-a EVM combo, with all the bells and whistles. This is my main gigging amp with my band. I have a matching 112 EVM Theile cab for this one, too.

Finally, there is my Mark III 200-watt Coliseum head with reverb. This is a glorious sounding amp, with incredible dynamic punch.

I have two Mesa 412 Half-back cabs, one with C90s on top and EVMs in the bottom; the other one is all EVMs and weighs about 30,000 pounds.

I have a 212 V30 Horizontal Recto cab that I like to use with the Maverick 212 combo for a nice compact, low power half stack.

I also have a Mesa 212 Half-back cab, and a third 112 Theile cab with a JBL E-120. Both of these are being sold. Great cabs, I just have no need for them at the present time.

Oh, and I have a Peavey Combo 300 and a Randall Commander for bass amps; and a couple of the little Acoustic Control AB-50s that I use for the Alesis SR-16 drum machine. Those were very inexpensive amps, and they are quite versatile. And I still have my old solid-state SUNN Solos II 212 combo that I bought in 1972 after my BF Bandmaster was stolen (along with that Tele Thinline). The SUNN paid the rent for many years, but hasn’t got much use since I started using the Mesa amps.

I do use effects. I have a slew of pedals: three wahs, six delays, one didgital reverb, probably five distortion/overdrive pedals, three compressors, three 10-band EQs and four chorus pedals. I have several tuners, with a TU-3 on my electric pedal board and TU-2 on the acoustic board. I also have a Pitch Shifter/Harmonizer, and a Soul Vibe from my LR duties earlier this year. Lots of pedals…but the trick for me is to not use them. I use each of my effects less than 6 times per night, and rarely use a distortion pedal—getting those tones from my Mesa amp. And my Secret Weapon is an ancient DOD FX10 Preamp, which is always on and provides only a slight boost to help get my signal though the eight pedals on my Furman pedal board. So pedals are a must have, but I use them as sparingly as I can.


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Thursday:

All of my G&Ls are USA made, and for the most part I prefer USA-made instruments. I do have several MIK guitars, mostly by Ibanez; and a couple MIJ Takamines. I think the big difference in USA vs. the imports is mostly in the finishes, as many USA made companies still use NCL finishes, while the Imports mostly use poly finishes. Of course there are many exceptions to this rule, including G&L, Collings, and Taylor utilizing poly; and my Takamine 12-strings which are NCL. I try not to focus in on the minutia of construction; and to keep focus on the big picture: does this guitar sound good? Does is fit my needs, emotionally, professionally and financially? If it does, nothing else really matters.

I haven’t played that many Tributes, but there are no doubts that they are very nice guitars. The quality of budget and mid-priced guitars these days is really amazing, compared to the quality of the Kay, Harmony, Univox and Teisco guitars of my youth.

One good story about the Tributes; a few years ago, I walked into my local Guitar Center and they had a used Tribute Legacy; and the assistant manager, knowing I liked G&Ls showed it to me proudly, sure that I would buy it. When I pointed out that the price of this used Tribute was $100 more than what I could buy it for new, he got a sheepish grin on his face and said, “Well, that’s what it’s worth.” Sure enough, a few days later it was gone, and the salesman who sold it told me he got the full, ticketed price: $100 more than a new one.

I saw some stores confuse a Tribute for a USA-made guitar early on; usually they were honest mistakes from stores not aware of the brand. In any case, I have NEVER seen a Tribute for a cheap, blowout price—not even a used one.

That is a testament to the high quality of these guitars.

Yes I do own guns. I sleep next to a Glock model 22 in .40 S&W, and I have another I carry when I need to. Or I will carry the Glock 19. I shoot all of these guns very, very well. The Glock is a good gun for someone who has trained to use it. They are accurate, durable, reliable and relatively inexpensive. The Glocks run about $570; and while I would usually prefer to have a Model 1911 in .45 caliber, a purpose-built 1911 runs about $1,500 and up. I bought the Glocks and spent the difference in training. :BangBang:

Good job on the LR this week, Sean!

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Since D.C. legalized guns the crime and murder rate in D.C. has been dropping precipitously. At least one of my neighbor's has guns. Her husband travels a lot. It doesn't bother me that's she's packing.
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Tribbies: I've got a couple of the first batch of Tribbies, the ones with the fugly black logo. I love 'em. They're not going anywhere. I haven't played one of the Indonesian ones, but I've heard people say they're even better. The pots on mine were awful, so maybe G&L got the electronics sorted out.

Guns: No thanks. It's very hard to get a gun in Australia and I like it that way. A lot of kids these days seem to carry knives and martial arts weapons and I find that thought horrifying enough. I keep my ASAT Special by my bed as a defensive weapon. :D It's well built and heavy enough to cause serious hurt.

On a related topic, I've been bitten by dogs twice in the last 2 weeks while jogging. A gun would be overkill, but I wouldn't mind having a Taser on board to stun the little bastards, or the owners who let them off their leash. Or maybe I should stop rubbing ground beef on my legs. :lolno:
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Philby: You don't deserve the abuse while running. Consider running with a bamboo stick to keep the dogs at bay and their "owners" in search of decent medical attention. I don't see why you need to give up the meat.

Blarg: Welcome to America! Ain't freedom great? Would love to show you some State Militia sometime, Constitutionally speaking. Ha! ;+)

Darwin: I shed no tears for your "robber." Natural selection at work! ;+)

jwebsmall I find the fact that you've gotten your hands on an Ascari to try to be a little amazing. Cool! I want to hear more. Regarding DC crime rates, I attribute most of the improvement to the extra vigilance by multiple layers of law enforcement in and around the city in the wake of 911. In fact, the District has been without a single authorized gun dealer for quite some time until very, very recently....

Sean: To the extent that you are able, I hope you can avoid situations where you feel better going in armed. If I played out, I'd decline such uncomfortable and potentially harmful circumstances, even if it cost me some money and exposure. Life is too precious.

Bill: How are you enjoying that Univox drum machine, good buddy!? ;+) Oh man....!!!!

Craig: When I first saw the gun topic, my first reaction (as a longtime member here) was "Yikes, Craig isn't going to like this!!!" But I am not at all surprised that a potentially controversial topic can be discussed here with out rancor and flames. 'Nuff said! - ed PS: I think the First Amendment kicks the ass of the Second any day (so shoot me!;+) !!!!!
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zapcosongs wrote:Sean: To the extent that you are able, I hope you can avoid situations where you feel better going in armed. If I played out, I'd decline such uncomfortable and potentially harmful circumstances, even if it cost me some money and exposure. Life is too precious.

Civil Discourse, you gotta love it! Maturity is a wonderful thing. To be honest, I am going to carry everyday once I have my permit. I have been in bad situations in places that you would think you are safe and secure. I've had wonderful, fun times in places that people think are undesirable neighborhoods.

p.s. Didn't mean to kick the hornet's nest with this topic. I do apologize to anyone I've made uncomfortable.
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zapcosongs wrote: Craig: When I first saw the gun topic, my first reaction (as a longtime member here) was "Yikes, Craig isn't going to like this!!!" But I am not at all surprised that a potentially controversial topic can be discussed here with out rancor and flames. 'Nuff said! - ed PS: I think the First Amendment kicks the ass of the Second any day (so shoot me!;+) !!!!!
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Every tribute I have ever tried has certainly held its own in its perspective price range, I am also really looking forward to trying an Ascari one day.

I am Canadian so I can understand using guns for hunting and what not but carrying a gun for defense against other guns just seems weird, but the old adage stands "guns don't kill people, people kill people" maybe there needs to be more people legislation?

That being said the most I would carry is a knife but I would never use one in a fight because statistically you will be injured/killed by your own knife.
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Tributes:

I have only tried an Indonesian made Tribute. The thing I noticed was that there was something different about the frets. Not thinking this is it but it was as if they were stainless steel and a different gauge than most of the USA G&Ls I have played. Every USA G&L I have played supposedly had the same fret gauge but I have played one where the frets felt fatter and higher. Back to Tributes, the frets were the only significant thing that stood out as different.


Guns:

I happen to think it is fine to go off to a range and fire at targets. But carrying them around town is something different. Most people, even with proper training in handling a gun, are not competent at defending themselves with or without a gun. First things first, you need to be able to handle yourself before you use a gun to handle a threat. Being physically defenseless contributes to a lack of confidence and effects your ability to use sound judgement. If you are in shape and have gone through some physical training so you can defend yourself without a weapon, you will be in a better position if you ever have to make the decision to pull out a gun.

Think of nuclear defense. For those countries with nuclear capability that are not run by lunatics, a lot of time and energy is focused on everything possible that could help avoid using the nuclear option. Yet people run out and buy a gun with the idea that they will simply use the gun option if they get into trouble. Even law enforcement officers only pull their guns as a last resort and certainly do not rely on shooting people as the only option.

When you get in shape and have some physical defensive training under your belt, everything you do is different. There is a good chance that a thug may decide to go after someone else because you carry yourself in such a manner that they do not want to eff with you.

If you are weak and out of shape and have no confidence in physically defending yourself, just how strong do you think you will feel if you have to pull a gun on someone? Chances are that thug is used to being threatened and could make you pee your pants merely staring you down.

I am not suggesting people skip the gun and train to duke it out with a thug should the need arise, I am saying if you are going to carry a gun for protection you need to be in shape and trained to handle yourself before any gun training because gun training alone is not enough. With the pre-training you will eliminate a percentage of situations where a gun would be the only option and you will have power to choose between options.

My father (82) bought a gun a few years ago and in his typical fashion stated he knew how to handle it because he was trained in the military. He was a Marine but that was 60 years ago. Aside from boot camp and whatever refresher courses Marines may have had to pass he worked a desk position in an office. One day he might shoot me forgetting I was in the other room visiting on a weekend.

Like law enforcement officers, everyone licensed to carry a gun should be required to participate in an ongoing training program..........including a physical defensive training program.
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Craig wrote:
zapcosongs wrote: Craig: When I first saw the gun topic, my first reaction (as a longtime member here) was "Yikes, Craig isn't going to like this!!!" But I am not at all surprised that a potentially controversial topic can be discussed here with out rancor and flames. 'Nuff said! - ed PS: I think the First Amendment kicks the ass of the Second any day (so shoot me!;+) !!!!!
Gee Ed, I guess you need a little refresher on what discussion topics are not allowed:
No discussion of politics, religion, sexual orientation, racial, or ethnic topics are allowed.
None of the discussions here violate this rule.

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LOL!!! I had forgotten that gun ownership rights is not a political topic....... ;+) - ed
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Quickly: Tributes: I played one @ AG&B and really liked it. It is a giggable instrument. Guns: I have a few. Gun vaults are a must. Minnesota allows quite a bit and pre-assault ban stuff too. I've got a few Simonov's, AK/WASR-10's, P-90's, Mossberg's, a few others(WWII Japanese) and a couple vintage pellet guns from Crossman. Most are never used and I have reservations about keeping them. Most were collected for historical purposes, but I also realize the potential danger. The ammo is locked up too. I must say that the cherry wood from Japan is amazing. Maybe I'll make a guitar body out of recycled gun stocks... Peace. Will