Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10, 2011

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Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10, 2011

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TGIM! …or is it OGIM?

This is my first time hosting a full week of LRs. I am nervous so I'd like to get the date kiss out of the way and nominate everyone for LR host. I accept! I might be the LR host forever. I have plans to share vacation photos going back 45 years. (i.e. Niagra Falls 1965, a rubber band factory Nevada 1972, driftwood drifting at Lake Siskyou California 1980, the car riding the ferry to the San Juan Islands Washington 1985, the world's longest escalator CNN headquarters Atlanta Georgia 1991,…). I'll be writing lyrics for a song that will then be adapted for a screenplay and have a camera at my side so you can see a 13,200 piece jigsaw puzzle of The Last Supper assembled. All of this entertainment right here!


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I should be in bed but I won't be at a computer for my lunch so being on PST I am here for Turkey ............and Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Russia, India, Nepal, Ukraine, Arabia, Ethiopia, Madagascar, etc. I'll be having coffee and a strawberry fruit bar for breakfast then a Black Forest ham sandwich and chips for lunch.

(To help prevent them from getting lost I have counted and numbered 14 questions in all though some are actually sub-questions and this is only good if I located and numbered them correctly).


I just bought my only G&L in May of this year (2011). I am waiting to post a picture in the forum until I make some adjustments so the guitar does not really exist yet. Originally, I was avoiding extravagant guitars and giving myself permission to buy this because it was relatively conservative. It also seemed to acknowledge me like a puppy in a pet shop. The flashy guitar that I immediately wanted was a 30th Anniversary model with the ebony and pearl. I should have gone ahead and bought one. I will probably end up getting one anyway. Since I decided to buy a new guitar I have had a growing list of guitars I would like.

I have this idea that Strats are not really Strats without maple fretboards. There are a few color schemes that should have non-maple fretboards though. On the other hand I am finding that as I spend time thinking about G&L guitars I change my mind a lot. I am interested in things I would not have thought I would care for.

#1. Do you have an idea or rule that defines a certain guitar or type of amp?


G&L:

There are some images in the forum gallery that show Will Ray playing this blue sparkle Will Ray with matching headstock.* It does not matter what that guitar sounds like. That is a guitar meant for the stage if there ever was one. Seeing this guitar or something close on the G&L website where examples of the different models are featured did not have the impact that seeing it in a live context did. Just seeing the guitar being played by someone standing with a band is all it took to change my mind about matching headstock. Prior to this I did not like the look. At this point I would not order a guitar with a matching headstock but I would not avoid buying one simply because of a matching headstock, as was my prior position. If I decided to buy a G&L with the sparkle finish I would prefer that it have the matching headstock now. Confused? You may be quizzed.

#2. Do you consider some G&Ls to be "stage guitars" (meaning that they have strengths that shine on stage, literally in appearance, and may or may not be as strong as a player) while others might be considered "furniture guitars" (meaning guitars you enjoy for their playing comfort and aesthetics)?

#3. Have you bought any G&L guitars because they were stage guitars?

#4. If you do not perform for people and just play more privately have you bought a G&L guitar because it was flashy and would look great on stage even though you may never be in a position to use it in that context?


* A guitar meant for the stage:

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Non-G&L:

Food Etiquette:


#5. On a scale of 0 to 5 how germ conscious are you with food?

#6. In this regard, are you like the rest of the family you grew up with or are you different?

#7. How do you fit in with your own family, (wife, husband, kids) and extended family, (in-laws or would be in-laws)?

#8. When faced with a large bag of chips, do you reach inside and grab some with your hand or do you pour them out onto your dish, paper plate or napkin?

#9. Do you open the fridge and drink off the milk, orange juice or soda containers?
(non-single serving size)

#10. When cooking or passing through the kitchen where something is cooking, do you sample the food? If so, do you use the cooking utensil or a separate utensil that is disposed of and not reintroduced to the cooking dish?

#11. Do you share your drinks with other people? If so, how well do you have to know them or does it matter?

#12. If you share your food are there some things you are less willing to share than others? Some foods can be eaten cleanly while others require smearing over your tongue, backwash and similar saliva-intensive actions. Do you allow others to lick your ice cream cone? Do you share beverages allowing others to use your straw?

I grew up conscious of germs and guest protocol. How do these fit together? I avoided food and beverages when I was a guest at friend's and relative's homes unless it was formally mealtime. I was taught that it was impolite to accept offers even when it was simply a drink of water. My parents discouraged me from asking for anything. Unfortunately for my friends this might mean that their parents felt it would be impolite if their children went ahead and had something when I was not. I recall a couple being upset when they could not have a glass of soda.

This belief has gotten me onto trouble. Some people are offended if you do not accept their offers. It is considered unsociable like refusing to shake a hand. I was invited to attend a jam session with a friend. There was a guy playing bass whom I had met at a previous session elsewhere. Along with this notion that I should not accept offers of food I am also fairly shy. When I first met this person I did not know anyone and was very uncomfortable. This time the hosts offered homemade deviled eggs. I still believed I should not accept anything offered even though I had seen enough by then to know that this was not such a good idea. I was also put off by the prospect of eating something that involved many degrees of handling by people whom I knew nothing of their hygiene, and a pungent and rather risky food like eggs to boot. Of course I said, "no thank you." The person walking around offering the platter of deviled eggs happened to be this same guy I had met and he said, "Come on don't be such a _____(?) ...nice guy" with a brief pause. I was sort of uncomfortably numb at getting the communication. Thinking back, he was giving me one last chance to partake in friendship. When I said no thanks he wrote me off. This was actually a band rehearsal at one of the band member's homes. During a break there was to be a jam session. When it was time to organize the jam this guy made a point of excluding me. So I did not get to play.

Writing this now it all sounds childish and petty but these things happen with people who are sophisticated and seemingly beyond such triviality. They just happen with less drama and transpire very fast. You might not know it took place because it is very nuanced and under the surface. That is a difference between people who are refined and those who are rough around the edges / crude. People are still people.

Jam Etiquette:

I once responded to a bulletin board ad on the wall of a music store placed by someone supposedly looking for people to jam with. We spoke briefly over the phone. I got to his house and the guy turned out to be a very opinionated stoned out pot-head hippie. But he was a good musician, he had great equipment and knew a wide selection of material. In truth, he was really hoping for a bass player to respond. For some reason no one in the area wanted to play bass at the time. It was myself on guitar, a drummer and this guy also on guitar. At some point after we were set up he started playing a Clapton rhythm so I started playing lead. Within moments he suddenly decided he was going to play lead and and there was no longer a rhythm. This pretty much set the tone for the rest of the afternoon. It was all going to be done his way. He would have been able to do all the guitar parts if only a bass player had responded to the ad but he did not state his wish in the ad. By the end of the day it was crystal clear I had no right to live because I wasn't a bass player. During one of his bong-breaks there was a lot of complaining about "progress." Some friends of his were in attendance including a guy playing drums. These people were nice but they seemed to worship this guy. He was good on guitar but he seemed like a total jerk. Needless to say I never got together with him again.

I was introduced to the guitar playing son of a man I worked with. The first time we got together to play was with my brother-in-law at my sister's house. During a break everyone left the room for a few minutes. The kid stayed behind. When I returned I noticed my Les Paul had been moved. Clearly the kid had tried out my guitar when I went out of the room. I would have been okay with him trying it out while I was there but this was sneaky. The guitar was not cheap and was a prized possession. To put it in perspective, this would be sort of like hopping in someone's car and taking it for a spin around the neighborhood without permission.

#13. Would you ever touch a stranger's, a friend's, anybody's equipment without an invitation or at least asking the person?

On the other end of the spectrum is being cautious and even over-protective of your gear. I was at a jam session when someone I had only met earlier that day picked up my guitar at first sight and started playing it. By this time I had a sense of his competence and trusted him but my knee-jerk reaction was to jump slightly. He saw me react, put the guitar down and apologized. You cannot go back and redo anything like this. I think it would have been fine and part of me enjoys it when people check out my gear, especially people you like and/or who know about equipment. But I did not handle this smoothly.

I believe when you play you want to make sure everyone gets a chance to play what they want. Hopefully everyone knows the song(s) people want to play, everyone gets a chance to play the position they want to, etc. No one should be a hog or ham, and it is mostly all for fun and enjoyment unless there is some other extended purpose for everyone getting together.

#14. Have you had any awkward moments when getting together with people to play music?



Thanks to anyone who stopped by and read all the way to this last sentence!
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Re: Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10,

Post by blargfromouterspace »

Hey Michael. Thanks for stepping into the role and coming up with such a long list of questions for discussion :shock:

Stage Guitars
All guitars are stage guitars. Even the most boring guitar looks good on stage. BUT. Stage clothing is very important. Imagine a guy on stage with that sparkling WR Z3 wearing cargo shorts and a Pepsi t-shirt - it would look crap. Stage clothing can and should be bought to match your guitar. I have a rather gaudy light blue suit jacket I wear with a red tie which looks great with my copper Bluesboy around my neck.

Germs and Food
I became germ conscious when I moved to Melbourne. Taking the crowded train and tram every morning and seeing people coughing and sneezing on their hands and then grabbing the same rail as me wised me up to that. It's pretty disgusting. At my uni we have several computer labs, and washing your hands after prolonged contact with the keyboards/mouses it frankly worrying. I carry a small bottle of that hand sanitiser now.

Home and family is a bit different. You're all made from the blood of your parents. I'm not funny about party food or eating socially and am more than happy to eat that last piece of roast beef that may have been sitting there for a while.


Jam Etiquette
It is polite to ask before picking up someone else's guitar, especially if you only just met them. Most people are impolite though. I'm happy for people to have a go on my guitar, that's what they're for, but it'd be nice if people had 'acid sweat' tatooed in bold on their forehead. Nothing like letting someone with acid sweat play your freshly restrung guitar only to have them rust up completely the next day. :problem:

Playing with others
I've played with a bunch of people in response to ads for guitarists. A lot of them were dreadful, and it seems that the more dreadful the singer the better they think they are. You just gotta move on and keep trying until you meet your perfect match. I've been very lucky twice now and play in two bands with a host of incredibly talented musicians, none of whom have drug problems ;)
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Re: Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10,

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MGM, welcome as LR and I like the early ones. I will have leftover ham and mashed potatoes for lunch today.

Stage guitars. I have watched several of our videos and several of my guitars are very booring on stage. Especialy the Sunburst/ tobacco bursts that I have. The red ones looks great but for a stage guitar my blingy Gold Flake ASAT Classic is hard to beat. It has the matching headstock and it is a perfect stage guitar.

Food germs. I am concerned about the contamination the causes sickness from eating fruits and vegis. There are recalls but that is usually after someone has been sick or died. I guess it somewhat a roll of the dice.

I have not seen many jams but if they are organized they can be fun.

My guitars are off limits to anyone unless I had it to them. I am very cautious about equipment on stage and do keep a close eye. My gigging guitars still look like new and I hope to keep them that way. I cringe when I see how some people treat display guitars in the stores. Great start MGM and looking forward to the photos.-- Darwin
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Re: Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10,

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Stage Guitars

Like Blarg, all guitars are stage guitars. If I won't take it on stage with me, I don't own it. I demand the quality you reserve for furniture guitars, but keep the idea of guitars as furniture as a cardinal sin. Guitars are made to be played, and will get dinged eventually despite anyones best efforts, best to just suck it up and rock out. The appearance of the guitar overall is unimportant, it is how you use it that will attract the attention. I do not currently perform out, but I do haul around for weekly jam sessions with a friend, I am without a formal band due to a lack of a compatible band :happy0007: , aka very open minded, technical, knowledgable musicians who I don't need to dumb down the vocabulary for (aka they need some theory under their belt).

Food and such

I am probably moderately conscious of germs in food, but I wasn't really discouraged of much being raised as you were. I have a better palette than my family and even wife (slightly in that case) and eat some odd combination of stuff I grew up with and finer dining. My father cooked really well and I must of picked it up somewhere. I don't eat chips, but would have no issue eating from the bag, I generally pour drinks, but only really drink water and coffee. I don't taste other peoples cooking, only my own, but I use the cooking utensil. I don't share drinks, but will accept offered drinks. I do not typically share food.


Jamming

It is supposed to be a fun time, so everyone gets their shot regardless of how 'able' they might be. It is great to go out and LISTEN to others while you play, you learn a lot that way, feed off eachother. Many players, especially 'good' ones, don't know how to listen. Players who listen generally give a better sense of cohesion and melody, no surprise while they may not be a spectacle, they are often well recieved.

I don't mind if people touch my instruments as long as they are respectful, I prefer they ask but it really depends how well I know them. If it is a band mate or a long time jam partner I don't care, I know they won't damage it, and if it gets a ding, once again, oh well. Every instrument has a story, you want it to be a good one. Case queens and collectors pieces don't have a story at all :thumbdown: , they are not interesting as nothing has been put into them to make them interesting. I am here to play, not to be self conscious about instruments, and it doesn't matter what it cost me to begin with. The first ding is always the hardest to swallow but better to get it done and over with.
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Re: Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10,

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#2,3,4 - All the G&L's I have and have bought are stage guitars. I am just a player and guitar lover, but I have no interest in collecting. But I do enjoy the passing glance at others cool collections!

#5,6,7,8 - I would rate myself between 0 and 1-not concerned about germs. I cook in my house, and I am very careful about sanitation and food prep/care. My biggest concern, is the same as Darwin's--contamination. But I am still eating salad! I share chips all the time!

#9 - No i don't drink out of cartons in the fridge.

#10 - I am with sirmy - I taste my own cooking. Sometimes I use the agitation utensal, sometimes i get a tasting device Depends on situation.

#11 - Yes, but not often. Mostly with family and sometimes during athletic events.

#12 - NC

#13 - It is completely rude to touch anyone's guitar without asking, and I don't do it. I am happy to let anyone play my instruments. And I know that my instruments are going to get dinged here and there. But I am CAREFUL and RESPECTFUL of all instruments including my own--and I reserve the right to review the situation slightly. I had a friend-of-a-friend pickup a nice guitar of mine that was in pretty good shape and give it very noticeable buckle rash and I came UNGLUED. It was a situation where another guy asked to play it earlier in the evening. I said yea. Sometime later i came back and belt-buckle man had decided that sense I had said yes previously, it was OK.

Also, it is completely OK not to want to share your guitars. They are pretty personal.

Sweat, one of my closest friends hands sweat so profusely that a guitar he touches for just a couple minutes gets sticky, and strings can sound noticeably worse. Anyway, he can play anything of mine (he is one of four or five people who i have a total share and share alike policy with) but part of the reason it works is he doesn't just come over an play all my stuff. He is considerate.

#14 - I have had ton's of dicey experiences. Like Blarg says, keep looking. I have a friend who very well could be the guy you described, Micheal. Anyway, if you decide to Jam with this guy, be prepared to do it his way, on his songs. So this guy is my friend, but not a musical partner. I am pretty agnostic on others substance use; but, generally I don't like to party and play. Play then party, sure!

Great start!!!!
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Re: Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10,

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Hi Michael,

#1: For a guitar, the neck has to fit my hands. The rest is details. I can change the pups, the frets, the saddles, the bridge, etc. But I can not change the shape & size of the neck. As for amps, I am a bedroom player, so small wattage & size are the way I roll. I have a preference for tube amps with tube rectifiers. Just my "thing".

#2, #3. and #4: While looks do have their place, I do not buy a guitar as a "stage" guitar, or a "private" guitar. I buy it to play it.

#5, #6, and #7: Usually, only a little. I do apply the 5 second rule to food on the floor. One exception was a few years ago, and I had the coughing crud. I started coughing up blood. I think I washed my hands every 15 minutes, regardless of need. Otherwise, I am pretty much in-line with my family.

#8: It depends on how much I want, and my mood.

#9: I will drink from the container, but only things that my wife & daughter don't drink.

#10: I will taste my own food, I don't taste other peoples cooking. And don't you taste mine. I usually use my stirring implement, but not always.

#11 and #12: I have a kid. Anybody who has had kids will give you the same answer. You have no choice but to share with little ones, no matter how much they backwash, etc. They may even be sick. You still share. It's called being a parent, and it's one of the unwritten rules of parenting. Get used to it, sucker.

#13: I hope that I would not use somebody else's gear without permission. I think that that is very rude.

#14: No, because I am not good enough to play with other people.

BTW: That photo is from the first G&L Shindig. The location is Buffalo Brothers, and I am pretty sure that I took that pic.

Later,

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#1. Do you have an idea or rule that defines a certain guitar or type of amp?

No. For example, I have 3 Strat styled guitars, the Fender is a hardtail with maple board, the Godin has rosewood fretboard and a humbucker in the bridge, and the Melancon has rosewood fretboard and a trem. They are all Strat style to me.

#2. Do you consider some G&Ls to be "stage guitars" (meaning that they have strengths that shine on stage, literally in appearance, and may or may not be as strong as a player) while others might be considered "furniture guitars" (meaning guitars you enjoy for their playing comfort and aesthetics)?

I see guitar with metal flake or with American flag design as "stage guitars" since they draw attention to the player.

#3. Have you bought any G&L guitars because they were stage guitars?

I avoid them since I don't want to draw attention to my lousy playing.

#4. If you do not perform for people and just play more privately have you bought a G&L guitar because it was flashy and would look great on stage even though you may never be in a position to use it in that context?

I have never bought a guitar because I think it looks great on stage. I have played for an audience a handful of times and I always picked a guitar that works for the songs that I have to play without regards to what it looks like.

#5. On a scale of 0 to 5 how germ conscious are you with food?

I'd say a 4. I wash my hands frequently.

#6. In this regard, are you like the rest of the family you grew up with or are you different?

We are/were all like that.

#7. How do you fit in with your own family, (wife, husband, kids) and extended family, (in-laws or would be in-laws)?

They all seems to be pretty much the same way, even including extended family through marriage.

#8. When faced with a large bag of chips, do you reach inside and grab some with your hand or do you pour them out onto your dish, paper plate or napkin?

If it is my bag of chips I feel OK reaching in, otherwise I pour out what I want.

#9. Do you open the fridge and drink off the milk, orange juice or soda containers? (non-single serving size)

Never.

#10. When cooking or passing through the kitchen where something is cooking, do you sample the food? If so, do you use the cooking utensil or a separate utensil that is disposed of and not reintroduced to the cooking dish?

Yes, when I'm cooking. If it is boiling I use the same spoon.

#11. Do you share your drinks with other people? If so, how well do you have to know them or does it matter?

Almost never. The few times I've done it it is with my wife or children.

#12. If you share your food are there some things you are less willing to share than others? Some foods can be eaten cleanly while others require smearing over your tongue, backwash and similar saliva-intensive actions. Do you allow others to lick your ice cream cone? Do you share beverages allowing others to use your straw?

I do share my food sometimes, but only with food that are not half-eaten. I don't recall ever sharing an ice cream cone.

#13. Would you ever touch a stranger's, a friend's, anybody's equipment without an invitation or at least asking the person?

I always ask before I touch.

#14. Have you had any awkward moments when getting together with people to play music?

I can remember when I hardly knew how to play anything when I met up with others to 'jam' and we couldn't get going since we didn't even know how to play the backing to a 12-bar blues. We tried to play stuff that each of us knew individually, but then nobody else knows the songs and they don't know how to join in. :crazy:

It will still be that way today if I attend a jam session with a jazz player!

Kit
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Re: Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10,

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Wow, what a start to the Lunch Report! Here goes…

1. Defining a guitar or amp: Well, I have ten LPs at the moment, but the one I’m missing is a sunburst 1959 or ’60 Historic Reissue Flame top. I prefer the ‘60’s neck, but it almost has more to do with the color…that cherry sunburst slightly faded into Iced Tea, with a little orange. Look at a color photo of Jimmy Page in his Zeppelin years—that Les Paul, that color. I’ve got Plain Tops in Tobacco Burst and Washed Cherry; and figured tops in Honey Burst and Heritage Cherry Sunburst—but that one elusive color on a heavily figured maple top is my Holy Grail. Can’t describe it; hope I know it (and can afford it) when I see it.

For amps, no doubt about it, I love the lead tones I get from my Mesa Boogie amps. You can’t get that tone and feel from a pedal, or from most amps for that matter. But an amp has to have a good clean tone too; and the Mesas, so often maligned, have been a pleasant surprise. They’ve handled every situation for me for the last 17 years—from my hard-rock G/G/B/D Seattle band to my G/K/B/D “Wedding Band”. I’d love to have a stable of vintage Fenders and Marshalls, and I did have those amps—but I kept the Mesas.

2, 3, & 4: I think G&Ls are excellent stage guitars. They have great colors and the poly finishes will stay nicer looking longer than an NCL finish. BTW, I grew up in the era of Fender guitars with matching headstocks. I like the look on solid color guitars (not bursts) and only with a RW board. I do play on stage, and really don’t keep any of my guitars as investment pieces, to not be played. I do think that some are better left at home in nasty clubs or in places where the temperatures might not be optimal, but I play them all.

My 2002 Taylor 710CE is my main stage acoustic. It is a nice, durable well made instrument with an excellent onboard Fishman pickup and preamp. But honestly, ALL of my Martin guitars sound better than the Taylor. I love the Taylor, it is a very good tool and very good for what I use it for; but I’d rather be playing the Martins. So in that sense, the Martins are the heirloom pieces, and the Taylor is just a piece of “furniture”. (Please don’t sit on it, though!!)


FOOD:
5. I’ll rate myself a 4.

6 & 7: I’m pickier than my girlfriend. I do get somewhat paranoid about leftovers, and keeping the kitchen clean. Leslie used to allow the cat on the kitchen counters—but I wouldn’t allow that. Pissed off the cat, but cats are always pissed off about something!

8 & 9: I might do it either way with a bag of chips, just depends. I would never drink out of a container in the fridge.

10. If I have to taste something while cooking, I will use a separate spoon.

11 & 12: I’ll let Leslie take a drink out of my glass; and I’ve let her taste my ice cream, no problem.

The big food question is: You’re eating a Dove or Haagen-Dazs ice cream bar with that delicious chocolate coating. A piece of the chocolate breaks off and falls to the floor. How big does that piece of chocolate have to be for you to just pick it up and eat it anyway?

Trust me, get in a room full of germ-o-phobic women and ask that question—and the phobias go right out the window! Try it!


Jam Etiquette:

13 & 14: I don’t ask to play other’s guitars. The reason is, I don’t want you playing mine!!! Maybe after we get to know each other; but as a rule, I don’t let people play my guitars. Ever. Especially not at an Open Mic or a Jam Session.

And if I’m on a gig, no way. Don’t ask to play my guitar, it is just not gonna happen. Hey, go ask an auto mechanic at his job if you can borrow one of his Snap-On wrenches to tighten a bolt on your car. You’ll be lucky if you escape with no broken bones! And no I don’t want you playing a little blues harp with the band. I’m here to work, this is a paying gig—it is MY JOB. (Jams are different, though it’s good etiquette to ask and not just jump up on the stage uninvited.) And please don’t ask to play a couple of songs while I’m on my break either—even if you brought your own guitar. It’s not an ego thing; I don’t feel competition from you. It’s my JOB, and you’re irrelevant. I’ve done this before—never again. I’ve had awful singers start going on with a 20-minute song about their angst and sorrows and kill a room faster than I can spit.

And kids are simply dangerous around guitars. They simply have no understanding about boundaries. And teenagers are just as bad—but they’ve learned to be sneaky about it. Around kids, guitars are kept in cases when not in use and cases are kept locked.

I’ve had a 45-year career of horror stories when it comes to people wanting to play my guitar or sing with me.

Not too long ago, we were playing in a club and when we took our break, this young guy jumped up on the stage and started ranting into the mic. I was sitting with some friends real close to the stage and I walked up and screamed at him to, “Get off! Now!” Well, he was shocked, but meekly got down. The bouncer comes over, and I start verbally ripping this guy, and asked him what the hell was doing. I pointed at my Les Paul on stage and said, “Look at that guitar. That is a $5,000 guitar! What if you had knocked it off the stand and broken it? You gonna pay for it?”

He kinda got this blank look of terror. I was really in his face and not being nice at all. I let him know in no uncertain terms that he was a rude little <censored word>; and if he EVER tried to that again, I would leave him beaten, bruised, shot AND stabbed; and he’d have to sit down to pee for the rest off his miserable life. I’m a big guy, I had about four inches and 200 pounds on him, and I was mad! I finally got a “Sir, I’m sorry, sir!” and let him go. Bouncer’s like, “Okay!” and walks away with a big smile on his face.

BTW, I don’t drink when I’m playing at a gig, though I have used some cognac when I’ve been trying to sing with a cold. Plain water is usually a better choice, though. I MIGHT have a beer at an Open Mic or Jam Session. I will never again play with anyone who has a drug problem. A guitarist in my other band had a problem and I ignored it. He betrayed me and stole from me, ruining a 20-year friendship. Still angry over the betrayal, I hope I never see him again, because I will go to jail for the rest of my life. Never again.

Somewhere on the web, someone had posted some etiquette and rules for Open Mics and Jam Sessions. It had some pretty good advice. You might Google it. My best piece of advice is to come prepared. Make sure you have your picks, your capo, and your strap. Extra strings and a winder and a clipper; and backup batteries for your effects—bring them. If you need cords, a mic or a direct box better have them. Please, for God’s sake, bring a tuner! I hate people who are not prepared and then expect help. NO WHINING!!!

Good job.

Bill
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Re: Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10,

Post by zapcosongs »

Wow Michael. Such an ambitious Lunch Report! I hope that your first report is not like many of my high school experiences: Shooting the whole load just as we're getting started ;=] Ha!

Sadly, I cannot answer all of your questions. I am only human, after all. However:

1) Rules, Guitars & Amps: Yes. Keep everything simple. The more pickups, switches, options, etc., I am less inclined to partake and enjoy.

2) Stage guitars: I appear on no stage. I play alone in my basement, mostly. I tend to keep things simple (see above). If I were to be compelled to embarrass myself on a stage, it would be with a simple guitar. Nothing flashy. Flashy begets expectations. I don't want to beget expectations.

3) No, I have never bought a guitar because it might be attractive on stage.

4) Again, no.

5) I am conscious of germs to a practical extent. I don't eat anything that's been out too long, or which has been prepared by (or infested with) maggots. :banana:

6) I am different, alright! :happy0065:

7) I fit in like Courtney Love at a board meeting. :shocked003:


8) When confronted with a bag of chips, I run. After grabbing it and getting a good head start! :clap:

9) Milk is sacrosanct. Everything else is fair game.

10) I only sample my own cooking and I do it according to how much I've had to drink. Others' cooking is to be tested at the (judgment) table.

11) When sharing drinks, my general rule is that the more alcohol it contains, the more safely it can be shared. There is some scientific evidence to support this.

12) I let my dog lick my ice cream cone. Enough said!

Guitar ethics: Don't touch my junk unless I give you the nod. :searching:

Nice start. Hope you still have something left for the rest of the week, Michael! Ha! - ed
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Re: Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10,

Post by Ahryn »

hey Mike, nice LR I like your sense of humor and i'll try my best to answer all of your LR questions.

#1 well one thing I have figured out with musical instruments when I tried to play the trumpet back in high school band was this, there is complexity in simplicity and simplicity in complexity.

I guess that is why I have always been attracted to t-type guitars (and why I love my ASAT so much) and has influenced my buying of amps and pedals.

#2-#4 I think all G&Ls are built strong enough for the stage or at home, that is one of there strengths IMHO.

You can know that the Bluesboy that Ben Gibbard is using was made in the same factory and with the same care and attention to detail as the G&L you are holding in your hand.

Although my design esthetic lends itself to sunburst finishes and more conservative colour schemes G&L does offer a fantastic array of colours that would lend themselves to standing out nicely under stage lights.

#5 2, if the meat is pink I may get suspicious but for the most part stomach acid can brake down nearly all suspicious materials.

#6 I would say I am the same as my family in this regard.

#7 Family I am okay with but as I am a curious mix of being shy, weird and awkward it can get a bit interesting with the extended family.

#8 If a dish or paper plate is not available sure I'll go for it with my hand, i just won't double dip the chip :lol:

#9 Nope, I use a glass.

#10 typically if its finger food I just grab one with my fingers, if it involves super heated liquids I use a spoon.

#11 Now that is were I draw the line, I don't share my drinks unless a straw is involved (and even then it has to be a separate straw) I do this mainly not because of germs but because few things gross me out as much as backwash.

#12 basically I'll share some fries (or chips) but you have to get your own burger, when it comes to guest protocol I generally only take food or drink if it is freely offered and I am either hungry or thirsty.

if I am neither hungry or thirsty I refuse on those grounds or if it requires action on their part.

#13 There is a friend of mine who plays and we have known each other for years (in fact it was he who first taught me my first chords) I trust him with my gear and he trusts me with his.

I generally have one golden rule that goes something like this "don't touch my stuff" trust is the exception that proves this rule, it would have to be someone I know I can trust and I would trust any of you guys with my ASAT because I know you know how to treat it and have some respect for what it is as a tool and what it would mean to me but Joe Blow Metallica wannabe that thinks he can play and considers any G&L nothing more then a tele ripoff, yeah no playing of any of my guitars for him.

#14 considering how shy and weird I can be awkward moments can and will happen.
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Re: Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10,

Post by yowhatsshakin »

Hey Michael,

Welcome to the exclusive club of LR's!
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#1. Do you have an idea or rule that defines a certain guitar or type of amp?
Just the shape. If is singlecut, depending on the depth, it is a jazz box if hollow and an LP or Tele if solid. And there will not be any confusion between the latter two! If double cut, everybody knows a Jr. from a PRS from an Ibanez/Scheckter, from a Strat. At least me thinketh ....
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#2. Do you consider some G&Ls to be "stage guitars" (meaning that they have strengths that shine on stage, literally in appearance, and may or may not be as strong as a player) while others might be considered "furniture guitars" (meaning guitars you enjoy for their playing comfort and aesthetics)?
Oh sure. You already mentioned the WR Signature in 2 of its incarnations and one may add the John Jorgenson Signature.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#3. Have you bought any G&L guitars because they were stage guitars?
#4. If you do not perform for people and just play more privately have you bought a G&L guitar because it was flashy and would look great on stage even though you may never be in a position to use it in that context?
The aforementioned JJ Sig which I did buy. Not any different than an ASAT Special but mine has a great quarter sawn-neck with beautiful flame figure.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#5. On a scale of 0 to 5 how germ conscious are you with food?
0 - I still love to eat dirt just like when I was a kid ;) It is how I got my immune system!
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#6. In this regard, are you like the rest of the family you grew up with or are you different?
Maybe not the dirt part, but my tastes are considerably more diverse that (most of) my family.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#7. How do you fit in with your own family, (wife, husband, kids) and extended family, (in-laws or would be in-laws)?
Sorry, what is a wife/husband/kids? ;) My wife fortunately is as adventurous, and sometimes even more, than me as far as culinairy experiments are concerned. I still haven't gotten myself to eat duck eggs. But the Lord knows all the other things I have tried and eaten ...
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#8. When faced with a large bag of chips, do you reach inside and grab some with your hand or do you pour them out onto your dish, paper plate or napkin?
Bag == container. 'Nuf said.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#9. Do you open the fridge and drink off the milk, orange juice or soda containers?
See previous answer. Fortunately my wife doesn't mind because she does the same (and I don't mind).
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#10. When cooking or passing through the kitchen where something is cooking, do you sample the food? If so, do you use the cooking utensil or a separate utensil that is disposed of and not reintroduced to the cooking dish?
What happens in the kitchen, stays in the kitchen. Nobody will know ... ;)
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#11. Do you share your drinks with other people? If so, how well do you have to know them or does it matter?
Yes, but only one way. I'll never share my drink with others so to speak but have no problem sharing other people drinks when requested.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#12. If you share your food are there some things you are less willing to share than others? Some foods can be eaten cleanly while others require smearing over your tongue, backwash and similar saliva-intensive actions. Do you allow others to lick your ice cream cone? Do you share beverages allowing others to use your straw?
Like stated before, I have no problem eating food already eaten by others. Being conscious of the germophobia of others, I would never share anything I ate with others unless I'm sure they have the same kind of attitude I have.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#13. Would you ever touch a stranger's, a friend's, anybody's equipment without an invitation or at least asking the person?
Nope. First ask permission.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:#14. Have you had any awkward moments when getting together with people to play music?
Only when I played the wrong notes ... :oops:

Hey, those were some good and personal questions Michael. Enjoyed answering them!

- Jos
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Re: Breakfast / Lunch Report ----------> Monday October 10,

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blargfromouterspace

Yes clothing is important. Eric Clapton has his Crossroads Festivals and he comes out in flip flops and cargo shorts. Popular with grunge bands I have never thought anyone with a guitar on stage should wear shorts.

I think dressing to fit a guitar work if you stick with the one guitar or change when the guitar changes or you have guitars that all compliment with your wardrobe (or visa versa).

Once had a horrible flight with a baby's dirty diaper fowling the air.

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darwinohm

Your 30th anniversary ASAT would look good on stage as would the green Suhr IMO. I wish you would post some video.

I have reservations regarding guitars in the showroom that are played by customers. There is a point when they should not be priced as "new" I A/B'd a bunch Monday and before I ran out of time I could no longer play because of the sticky grime that I picked up from the guitars. When I was there a man and his 12 year-old son came through looking for a beginner guitar. The son grabbed a $1500 G&L and started strumming it. The father took it away from him within minutes of seeing the price but that tells you what happens in music stores. I carefully looked over their inventory and they were all in great shape except for the dirt build up and fingerprints........still would make the point of mentioning the handling if I buy something from them.


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sirmyghin


I agree with everything you have said about instruments and with what I originally described. It is paradoxical. ;)


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sickbutnottired,


I was attempting to paint an image and would not describe everyone the same way as I did that guy by mentioning his pot habit.

We allow friends to be whatever they are as part of friendship. For good reason, strangers do not always make it to friendship status.


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guitar_ed

"#11 and #12: I have a kid. Anybody who has had kids will give you the same answer. You have no choice but to share with little ones, no matter how much they backwash, etc. They may even be sick. You still share. It's called being a parent, and it's one of the unwritten rules of parenting. Get used to it, sucker."

My parents wouldn't give that answer.

Good job with the photography.


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Kit,

WIth food it does depend somewhat on who is involved. Some people just have an aura of purity while others gross me out.

The thing about a group that doesn't know any material in common is to regroup after everyone agrees to learn something to play. Then go from there.


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Bill,

Whew!

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zapcosongs,

I had a girlfriend that fed her dog everything from the table including ice cream. I love animals but hated her dog. One night with a house full of guests we had locked the dog in the bedroom because it was a PITA. It made such a ruckus she decided it should come out. I went upstairs and opened the door. As it bolted out and approached the top of the stairs I gave it a swift kick in the ass. That dog never moved those feet so fast down the stairs with that boost. It ran to her and though it could not speak English it tattled on me. I played dumb and just expressed how much the dog wanted out of the bedroom.

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Ahryn,

I am shopping for an ASAT myself. I never played one until this week. They are much different than I thought they would be. I liked them so much there is a good chance my Legacy will be neglected. I already had realized I prefer the ASAT/Tele tone.

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yowhatshakin,

Thinking about eating dirt, you have no idea what you are really eating. It may be worse if you do have an idea.





Very sorry if I missed anyone!

Thanks to all who stopped by,


Michael