Monday July 25th, early lunch report
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Monday July 25th, early lunch report
Well it is a bit early, and I will soon be eating some tasty tasty oatmeal for breakfast. I have something that needs to get done at noon so I will need to post in a little early and no better time than now. Lunch will likely be a sandwich made out of leftover chicken from last night, moustard, cheese, maybe some mayo then grilled. I have a large selection of very tasty fruit right now (including tree ripe nectarines) so I am sure some of that will find its way onto the menu.
For those of you here who don't know me, I am Kyle, and I do research towards my Master's degree. I belong to the department of civil engineering and do my research in geotechnical, or soils engineering. The overarching focus of my work is finite elements, which can be more than a slight pain. Otherwise I am your typical guitar guy, hoarding as many as humanly possible, drooling over them on the internet, and talking about my problem as the weeks sanctioned MC .
G&L question of the day:
Craig a few weeks ago had a poll up, to see which G&L you would like to see return or introduced. Much to my surprise most of the folks here wanted the baritone, myself included. I am a bassist and like long scales, they are just comfortable for me, but the change in timbre associated with scale length is fairly prominent in stringed instruments. They gain more 'clarity', through a reduction of overtones and strengthening of the fundamental. This of course depends on string gauge and tension, so if we say same strings, they will have more tension, but be smaller relative to the scale length. String gauge vs scale length is important, as thicker strings acquire larger errors in the overtones (but that is a story for another day).
Why would you like to see the baritone rise form the ashes. And what shape would you want it to be? I would love to see it as a baritone asat special, soaps and all.
Off topic question of the day: Growing as a musician, and your musical taste
I would like to focus on what you are listening to and why, and how it has changed over the course of your playing. Tomorrow we'll try and look at what you are playing as you grow, but listening is a good start for today. I started simple, out of necessity like all of us, but I was always a rocker, and never cared for the mainstream of my generation. Playing bass at 14 I quickly gravitated towards bands I don't particularly care for, such as Tool, to try and challenge me. Then on a whim I bought a songbook, from a band my Dad said had great basslines, but I also was not fond of. Rush. I learned to play that book front to back, my playing went forward leagues, and my perspective changed. Over the course of the years though, I became a little stagnant, I discoverred metal, being a fan of power metal, and have mostly dismissed that. I discoverred jazz, and that is where I am going nowadays, the more I play, the more I want to play jazz and fusion, a place that even a bass player will be respected as playing an instrument, every time. I even branched out to listen to country, as some players caught my eye, namely one in the spot light Brad Paisley. His excellent guitar work urged me to explore this territory left uncharted since my childhood, as my mother was a big country fan.
I have a penchant for listening to anything and everything nowadays, with one exception. Some of my favourite players are Govan, and Vai. Not shredders in your typical sense by any means, sure they can play fast, but there is always an overarching melody they stick to, and their musical ideas and melodies, although being a bit more complex, I find very satisfying. This was not always the case however, it took a lot of growth, and understanding of music in itself to get there. I used to dismiss a lot of these guys as mechanical, boring, and so on, but that was mostly ignorance talking. I cannot defend guys like Michael Angelo Batio or Jason Becker I mind you (the focus has to be the music first, ability to bring it out second). Vai is easily one of the most expressive players I have ever seen, not to mention his extremely intimate connection with the guitar is quite admirable.
Then we have alternate styles of playing. I almost pulled a Jamerson and ignored anything not finger style, dismissed it as wrong or not necessary. This would have been folly as what you can bring out with your expression and will is more important than how you play. This opened a whole world of interesting bass players, like Victor Wooten to my spectrum.
At the end of the day I find I can listen and find what I need in near anything, I steer clear of 'extreme' or technical metals however, as they have left music behind for complexity, or just vomit into a microphone and annoy me. The rest is pretty much fair game, there have been many bands I had to grow into, and even acquire knowledge before I could understand, and assimilate what they were doing, how they were achieving it and so on before I could appreciate their music, but it was worth it. In ye olde times, people knew much more about music, they only heard a performance of something once, maybe twice in their life. They could pick out things like modulation on the first listening. Shame that doesn't much exist anymore eh?
Nowadays I don't listen to much rock, I find it a little too straight forward, too cut and dry if you will. It doesn't really do the trick for me. Bands like Uriah Heep still find their way into my musical library however.
I leave you with a song I am currently working on, a bit of a serious one if you take the tone. (Vai also has the best guitar faces in the industry, I dare you to post the best guitar face you have seen )
[youtube]4m6lPDQHKGU[/youtube]
For those of you here who don't know me, I am Kyle, and I do research towards my Master's degree. I belong to the department of civil engineering and do my research in geotechnical, or soils engineering. The overarching focus of my work is finite elements, which can be more than a slight pain. Otherwise I am your typical guitar guy, hoarding as many as humanly possible, drooling over them on the internet, and talking about my problem as the weeks sanctioned MC .
G&L question of the day:
Craig a few weeks ago had a poll up, to see which G&L you would like to see return or introduced. Much to my surprise most of the folks here wanted the baritone, myself included. I am a bassist and like long scales, they are just comfortable for me, but the change in timbre associated with scale length is fairly prominent in stringed instruments. They gain more 'clarity', through a reduction of overtones and strengthening of the fundamental. This of course depends on string gauge and tension, so if we say same strings, they will have more tension, but be smaller relative to the scale length. String gauge vs scale length is important, as thicker strings acquire larger errors in the overtones (but that is a story for another day).
Why would you like to see the baritone rise form the ashes. And what shape would you want it to be? I would love to see it as a baritone asat special, soaps and all.
Off topic question of the day: Growing as a musician, and your musical taste
I would like to focus on what you are listening to and why, and how it has changed over the course of your playing. Tomorrow we'll try and look at what you are playing as you grow, but listening is a good start for today. I started simple, out of necessity like all of us, but I was always a rocker, and never cared for the mainstream of my generation. Playing bass at 14 I quickly gravitated towards bands I don't particularly care for, such as Tool, to try and challenge me. Then on a whim I bought a songbook, from a band my Dad said had great basslines, but I also was not fond of. Rush. I learned to play that book front to back, my playing went forward leagues, and my perspective changed. Over the course of the years though, I became a little stagnant, I discoverred metal, being a fan of power metal, and have mostly dismissed that. I discoverred jazz, and that is where I am going nowadays, the more I play, the more I want to play jazz and fusion, a place that even a bass player will be respected as playing an instrument, every time. I even branched out to listen to country, as some players caught my eye, namely one in the spot light Brad Paisley. His excellent guitar work urged me to explore this territory left uncharted since my childhood, as my mother was a big country fan.
I have a penchant for listening to anything and everything nowadays, with one exception. Some of my favourite players are Govan, and Vai. Not shredders in your typical sense by any means, sure they can play fast, but there is always an overarching melody they stick to, and their musical ideas and melodies, although being a bit more complex, I find very satisfying. This was not always the case however, it took a lot of growth, and understanding of music in itself to get there. I used to dismiss a lot of these guys as mechanical, boring, and so on, but that was mostly ignorance talking. I cannot defend guys like Michael Angelo Batio or Jason Becker I mind you (the focus has to be the music first, ability to bring it out second). Vai is easily one of the most expressive players I have ever seen, not to mention his extremely intimate connection with the guitar is quite admirable.
Then we have alternate styles of playing. I almost pulled a Jamerson and ignored anything not finger style, dismissed it as wrong or not necessary. This would have been folly as what you can bring out with your expression and will is more important than how you play. This opened a whole world of interesting bass players, like Victor Wooten to my spectrum.
At the end of the day I find I can listen and find what I need in near anything, I steer clear of 'extreme' or technical metals however, as they have left music behind for complexity, or just vomit into a microphone and annoy me. The rest is pretty much fair game, there have been many bands I had to grow into, and even acquire knowledge before I could understand, and assimilate what they were doing, how they were achieving it and so on before I could appreciate their music, but it was worth it. In ye olde times, people knew much more about music, they only heard a performance of something once, maybe twice in their life. They could pick out things like modulation on the first listening. Shame that doesn't much exist anymore eh?
Nowadays I don't listen to much rock, I find it a little too straight forward, too cut and dry if you will. It doesn't really do the trick for me. Bands like Uriah Heep still find their way into my musical library however.
I leave you with a song I am currently working on, a bit of a serious one if you take the tone. (Vai also has the best guitar faces in the industry, I dare you to post the best guitar face you have seen )
[youtube]4m6lPDQHKGU[/youtube]
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Re: Monday July 25th, early lunch report
Well, I don't have a strong opinion on G&L's next guitar...mostly because I don't have plans to add any guitars to my collection for quite some time. I've got 3 good electrics (2 G&Ls) and a good acoustic, and for a guy who just plays in his basement, that's more than enough! And while I like the idea of a baritone guitar, I don't see ever getting one for myself. But who knows, I'm only 43, one day I may just decide I need one, and if G&L has one, I'd definitely take it under consideration.
As for music, IMHO, life is too short to listen to music you don't enjoy! And while I understand listening to a broad variety of music in order to broaden your playing skills, as a hobbyist who only has a few hours a week to play, I don't feel that need or drive. However, I do listen to a variety of styles of music. Predominantly rock...80's hard rock is probably the core of what I listen to, even today, but that's not exclusive as I enjoy rock from the 60's to current. But I also enjoy lots of jazz (stuff from the 50s and 60s and even some modern stuff), blues, folk and folk/rock (Bruce Cockburn is a favorite of mine), some country (including Paisely). And it's not uncommon that I'll hear a song with a cool guitar part that I'll work on learning. So, while it's never intentional, or the reason for listening to any particular style, other styles do end up working their way into my playing, but some more dominantly than others.
But I commend you for the way you've expanded your playing horizons, Sirmy! No doubt it has made you a better all around player, and increased your playing pleasure. And probably helped you develop an appreciation for some music you otherwise may not have known!
And Vai is an amazing player, but for some reason I've really gotten into him...I tend to prefer Satriani. Though I was very happy to see Vai when he came around with The Hendrix Experience Tour last fall...that was a lot of fun and I was glad to finally see him in the flesh, playing in front of my very own eyes!
As for music, IMHO, life is too short to listen to music you don't enjoy! And while I understand listening to a broad variety of music in order to broaden your playing skills, as a hobbyist who only has a few hours a week to play, I don't feel that need or drive. However, I do listen to a variety of styles of music. Predominantly rock...80's hard rock is probably the core of what I listen to, even today, but that's not exclusive as I enjoy rock from the 60's to current. But I also enjoy lots of jazz (stuff from the 50s and 60s and even some modern stuff), blues, folk and folk/rock (Bruce Cockburn is a favorite of mine), some country (including Paisely). And it's not uncommon that I'll hear a song with a cool guitar part that I'll work on learning. So, while it's never intentional, or the reason for listening to any particular style, other styles do end up working their way into my playing, but some more dominantly than others.
But I commend you for the way you've expanded your playing horizons, Sirmy! No doubt it has made you a better all around player, and increased your playing pleasure. And probably helped you develop an appreciation for some music you otherwise may not have known!
And Vai is an amazing player, but for some reason I've really gotten into him...I tend to prefer Satriani. Though I was very happy to see Vai when he came around with The Hendrix Experience Tour last fall...that was a lot of fun and I was glad to finally see him in the flesh, playing in front of my very own eyes!
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Re: Monday July 25th, early lunch report
Haven't seen Vai Muleya, he is supposed to doa world tour sometime in 2011 and I really hope to catch it. I have seen Satriani though (and don't get me wrong I love his playing, especially his last 2 albums). I saw his last 2 tours, with Stu Hamm and Mike Kineally on board respectively. Mountain opened the first, Ned Evett the second (both awesome acts for different reasons).
No doubt it has improved my playing, but that is a story for tomorrow, I need to make sure I have enough to keep this moving all week.
No doubt it has improved my playing, but that is a story for tomorrow, I need to make sure I have enough to keep this moving all week.
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Re: Monday July 25th, early lunch report
Morning Kyle!
And a good start.
- Jos
And a good start.
Foremost I would like to see a baritone because it was the last model Leo assembled. So its form would have to closely adhere to that very last guitar. I can live with some sonic tweaks if it is judged that Leo's prototype was not perfect yet but they should have very good reasons for it. In addition, so far I have only been looking at Danos for a baritone model to be able to play some of these 60's (surf) instrumentals. But to be able to do that with a G&L would be fantastic. And it would be something completely new for the company. Guess it would require new templates etc. for the CDC but it would be worth it I think.sirmyghin wrote:G&L question of the day:
Why would you like to see the baritone rise form the ashes. And what shape would you want it to be?
I grew up liking the Stones a lot, especially their end '60's - early '70's stuff. Then for me rock music more or less stopped at the end of the '70's. Not hat there wasn't an incidental great rock, alternative, prog, etc. record, but when disco and rap started to take over the charts, I started listening to jazz. First Metheny, then Frisell, Scofield, Stern. Then back in time: Wes, Tal, Barney, Joe, Django, etc. Not that I have ever been able to play their stuff but that is a different story. I listened only to jazz until about 10 years ago when I started to become more interested in so-called roots music. Bela Fleck from the jazz side and Uncle Tupelo and Wilco started it of for me, but it lead to listening to David Grier, Alison Krauss, and other bluegrass artists. Just to give an example of what I listen to on my iPod, it currently has the complete catalogs of Wilco, Eric Clapton, John Mayer, Led Zeppelin, Bløf ( a Dutch rock band), Ben Allison (a NY bass player and composer), the latest albums by Middle Brother, J.P. Chrissie and the Fairground Boys, the Head and the Heart, and the audiobook version of Keith Richards' 'Life'. There it is in a nutshell!sirmyghin wrote:Off topic question of the day: Growing as a musician, and your musical taste
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Re: Monday July 25th, early lunch report
Congratulations to you on your dedication to grow as a musician. That is what every good musician needs to do to get better.
I find myself in musical ruts sometimes but I have a lot to do in keeping up with my bands and the songs we perform live.
I am now primarily performing blues and classic rock with occasional country tunes thrown in.
I have persued jazz chops by jamming with other musicians on real book selections in the past. I have not kept up with it so I would be at a disadvantage if I was to play in a jazz standards band today.
I like Vai and I encourage you to listen to melodies and work them out on your bass. It is a great ear opener to throw in some melody when you are playing a bass line.
Best guitar playing face- Angus Young from AC-DC
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=ac+dc+ba ... kDg&zoom=1
I find myself in musical ruts sometimes but I have a lot to do in keeping up with my bands and the songs we perform live.
I am now primarily performing blues and classic rock with occasional country tunes thrown in.
I have persued jazz chops by jamming with other musicians on real book selections in the past. I have not kept up with it so I would be at a disadvantage if I was to play in a jazz standards band today.
I like Vai and I encourage you to listen to melodies and work them out on your bass. It is a great ear opener to throw in some melody when you are playing a bass line.
Best guitar playing face- Angus Young from AC-DC
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=ac+dc+ba ... kDg&zoom=1
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Re: Monday July 25th, early lunch report
Addendum on great guitar faces: Pat Metheny. The vid is from '92 but I can assure you he did the same in '82 and is still doing it in '11. In an interview he has stated that he does what he does because he is thinking like a trumpeter when soloing. Sol starts at the 3:51 mark for those that want to skip Lyle ...
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Re: Monday July 25th, early lunch report
Welcome back as LR Sirmy. I had a home built turkey breast sandwich with chips that hit the spot.
I am in a rut on music but love it. We are a 50s/ 60s cover band and we like that . We do our take on the originals and we throw in some other songs now and then to make it interesting. Our venue is hard to find now days and we find that it is greatly appreciated by our audiences. I have studied classical and the types of music that normally go with a major in music. I would run back to the dorm after classes and throw on the Kingston Trio records. If I were a young guy,I may have a different view. I am always trying to become more accomplished as a musician but am into the style that I have always enjoyed the most.
I really don't do many music videos ( Download Speed) but I view some of the ones shown here and they are pretty cool. I watched a 3 piece rock band this weekend (new rock) and the bass player was into moves more than technique. They were distorted and loud. Maybe I won't branch into that stuff, I think I will stick to the rut!!!!. I do admire you desire to become accomplished and well rounded. Keep it up Sirmy. You young dudes have a long way to go yet.-- Darwin
I am in a rut on music but love it. We are a 50s/ 60s cover band and we like that . We do our take on the originals and we throw in some other songs now and then to make it interesting. Our venue is hard to find now days and we find that it is greatly appreciated by our audiences. I have studied classical and the types of music that normally go with a major in music. I would run back to the dorm after classes and throw on the Kingston Trio records. If I were a young guy,I may have a different view. I am always trying to become more accomplished as a musician but am into the style that I have always enjoyed the most.
I really don't do many music videos ( Download Speed) but I view some of the ones shown here and they are pretty cool. I watched a 3 piece rock band this weekend (new rock) and the bass player was into moves more than technique. They were distorted and loud. Maybe I won't branch into that stuff, I think I will stick to the rut!!!!. I do admire you desire to become accomplished and well rounded. Keep it up Sirmy. You young dudes have a long way to go yet.-- Darwin
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Re: Monday July 25th, early lunch report
I have no interest whatsoever in the baritone guitar. I want a Comanche 12-string (Want a little whine with your lunch?)
Right now I'm working on a bunch of 50's music for a gig that I have coming up. And that's kinda where I started, listening to "Hound Dog" and "All Shook Up" and "Peggy Sue". I have a vivid memory of my older brother and sister dancing in the kitchen and snapping towels at each other (while they were supposed to be drying the dishes!) with Johnny B. Goode on the radio.
I learned to play guitar in 1965; not quite 15 yet. I think my mother got so tired of listening to the "Meet The Beatles" album that she taught me to play the guitar so she could hear something else for a while! So the classic rock of the late Sixties through the Seventies is really my music. For a while I was into high-fidelity audio, and that led me into some high-quality direct-to-disc recordings in the jazz and classical fields--if for no other reason than to have records that would show off my stereo system.
I really got into the "fusion" and "pop" jazz--first with guitarists, and then with the great sax men and keyboardist of the day. Neil Larson's recordings with guitarist Buzz Feiten remain some of my favorite music--along with Benson, Grant Green, Grant Geissman, Chuck Mangione, Grover Washington and many others.
So I'm still plugging along, learning (and re-learning) to play a bunch three and four chord songs, cause...that's the gig. Not sure I have the chops to hang with any of the local cats that are really into jazz, but occasionally someone will mention that they like my "jazzy, melodic style". And that's cool, though sometimes I wish I could simply be the second coming of B.B King, lol! I'll keep going through the books and pick up a riff here and there, and work to better my understanding of how it's all supposed to come together.
And if I took half the time I spend focused on gear and channeled that into learning theory and bettering my technique, I'd be a "rock star" in no time!
Bill
Right now I'm working on a bunch of 50's music for a gig that I have coming up. And that's kinda where I started, listening to "Hound Dog" and "All Shook Up" and "Peggy Sue". I have a vivid memory of my older brother and sister dancing in the kitchen and snapping towels at each other (while they were supposed to be drying the dishes!) with Johnny B. Goode on the radio.
I learned to play guitar in 1965; not quite 15 yet. I think my mother got so tired of listening to the "Meet The Beatles" album that she taught me to play the guitar so she could hear something else for a while! So the classic rock of the late Sixties through the Seventies is really my music. For a while I was into high-fidelity audio, and that led me into some high-quality direct-to-disc recordings in the jazz and classical fields--if for no other reason than to have records that would show off my stereo system.
I really got into the "fusion" and "pop" jazz--first with guitarists, and then with the great sax men and keyboardist of the day. Neil Larson's recordings with guitarist Buzz Feiten remain some of my favorite music--along with Benson, Grant Green, Grant Geissman, Chuck Mangione, Grover Washington and many others.
So I'm still plugging along, learning (and re-learning) to play a bunch three and four chord songs, cause...that's the gig. Not sure I have the chops to hang with any of the local cats that are really into jazz, but occasionally someone will mention that they like my "jazzy, melodic style". And that's cool, though sometimes I wish I could simply be the second coming of B.B King, lol! I'll keep going through the books and pick up a riff here and there, and work to better my understanding of how it's all supposed to come together.
And if I took half the time I spend focused on gear and channeled that into learning theory and bettering my technique, I'd be a "rock star" in no time!
Bill
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Re: Monday July 25th, early lunch report
Yos, those are some interesting names in your list, quite the variety too.
Thanks for the pic Bassman, I'll get a little more into playing pursuits tomorrow, and some of what you are hinting at will probably come back around.
Nothing wrong with being in a rut Darwin, the longer I play, the less dirt I use. I have never been into distorted basses either.
Boogie Bill, I get a bit of the same with 'jazzy styles'. I take it mostly as using 'odd' phrasing and being approached by those who don't do the jazz thing. I am by no means a jazz musician, it is just a lot of the fuel to work hard right now.
Thanks for the pic Bassman, I'll get a little more into playing pursuits tomorrow, and some of what you are hinting at will probably come back around.
Nothing wrong with being in a rut Darwin, the longer I play, the less dirt I use. I have never been into distorted basses either.
Boogie Bill, I get a bit of the same with 'jazzy styles'. I take it mostly as using 'odd' phrasing and being approached by those who don't do the jazz thing. I am by no means a jazz musician, it is just a lot of the fuel to work hard right now.
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Re: Monday July 25th, early lunch report
Well put, thats my sentiment exactly. Danelectro's make fantastic baritone guitars. Something about the cheap construction lends its sound to them. The other guitarist in my band plays a Danelectro Longhorn bass which he's converted to a baritone guitar by adding a couple of tuning keys to along with a cut down t-style bridge.Jos wrote:Foremost I would like to see a baritone because it was the last model Leo assembled. So its form would have to closely adhere to that very last guitar. I can live with some sonic tweaks if it is judged that Leo's prototype was not perfect yet but they should have very good reasons for it. In addition, so far I have only been looking at Danos for a baritone model to be able to play some of these 60's (surf) instrumentals.
I too have listened to and played virtually all types of music, starting out with metal as a teenager. I listened to Nirvana for a little while but soon grew tired of it - it's too depressing. Right now I'm very happy to be playing in two bands that play my favourite styles of music - country and soul. I'd love to move to the Carolina's and play in a 'beach music' band, or to Louisiana and play Zydeco, or to Austin and play in honky-tonks..... One day perhaps!
My favourite guitar face is Kenny Vaughans - complete deadpan and the antithesis of that Santana fella... He's the one with the Jaguar
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Re: Monday July 25th, early lunch report
Great start, Kyle!
Lunch for me was shoveling in some leftover fish before dashing to the airport for a canceled flight.
G&L Question:
I guess I can see the appeal of a baritone, and wouldn't turn down either Leo's final design (sort of an F-100 thing), or the ASAT style you suggested. Ultimately I would love to see a G-200 re-issue, if nothing else just to have a pairing of a shorter scale with the G&L vibe. A short-scale (24.75" or 24", like the Fender "student" models) on an SC-2 re-issue would also be great. In fact, I think I might prefer that to a G-200.
Off-topic Question:
I started on classic rock in '81, but made an abrupt change to punk in '83 when none of my classic rock band mates were confident enough to take a gig. I was playing almost exclusively on the electric bass at that point. I got interested in ambient music (although I didn't know what it was called at the time) a couple of years later, until a couple of tours in the Navy forced me to put down the electrics for a while. I got back into playing classic rock and generic blues with some co-workers in the late 90s, and then shifted over to a kind of a jazzy blues (mainly on bass, but with some chord work thrown in for good measure). I got more and more into jazz, and took up the upright bass in the mid-2000s. My main influences were John Coltrane's bassists (Paul Chambers, Reggie Workman, Art Davis, and Jimmy Garrison), along with Sam Jones (especially his work with Grant Green and Cannonball Adderley), and of course Charles Mingus. Richard Davis's work with Van Morrison on Astral Weeks was also a huge influence from a bluesier perspective. I carried some of these influences over to some work with hand percussionists and woodwind players in a World Music setting over the past couple of years, and since moving to Maryland last fall I've been playing the upright in the U.S. Public Health Service Ensemble. This current gig isn't much for artistic expression, but I've learned to sight read fairly well and keep one eye on a conductor. Those are definitely firsts for me!
Being separated from my upright for six months during the move re-ignited my love for G&L guitars. On electric guitar and bass, I tend to go back to my 80s roots. In addition to dredging up the old Clash, Joy Division and PiL numbers I used to enjoy playing, I'm finding that my growing collection of Leo-era guitars is making me want to play the music from when they were new, and that's pushing me to delve into bands that I never tried to cover back in the day. I'm also drawn to Grant Green's playing on Blue Note, and trying to build chord melodies based on the old Mickey Baker and Ted Greene books.
Ken C
Lunch for me was shoveling in some leftover fish before dashing to the airport for a canceled flight.
G&L Question:
I guess I can see the appeal of a baritone, and wouldn't turn down either Leo's final design (sort of an F-100 thing), or the ASAT style you suggested. Ultimately I would love to see a G-200 re-issue, if nothing else just to have a pairing of a shorter scale with the G&L vibe. A short-scale (24.75" or 24", like the Fender "student" models) on an SC-2 re-issue would also be great. In fact, I think I might prefer that to a G-200.
Off-topic Question:
I started on classic rock in '81, but made an abrupt change to punk in '83 when none of my classic rock band mates were confident enough to take a gig. I was playing almost exclusively on the electric bass at that point. I got interested in ambient music (although I didn't know what it was called at the time) a couple of years later, until a couple of tours in the Navy forced me to put down the electrics for a while. I got back into playing classic rock and generic blues with some co-workers in the late 90s, and then shifted over to a kind of a jazzy blues (mainly on bass, but with some chord work thrown in for good measure). I got more and more into jazz, and took up the upright bass in the mid-2000s. My main influences were John Coltrane's bassists (Paul Chambers, Reggie Workman, Art Davis, and Jimmy Garrison), along with Sam Jones (especially his work with Grant Green and Cannonball Adderley), and of course Charles Mingus. Richard Davis's work with Van Morrison on Astral Weeks was also a huge influence from a bluesier perspective. I carried some of these influences over to some work with hand percussionists and woodwind players in a World Music setting over the past couple of years, and since moving to Maryland last fall I've been playing the upright in the U.S. Public Health Service Ensemble. This current gig isn't much for artistic expression, but I've learned to sight read fairly well and keep one eye on a conductor. Those are definitely firsts for me!
Being separated from my upright for six months during the move re-ignited my love for G&L guitars. On electric guitar and bass, I tend to go back to my 80s roots. In addition to dredging up the old Clash, Joy Division and PiL numbers I used to enjoy playing, I'm finding that my growing collection of Leo-era guitars is making me want to play the music from when they were new, and that's pushing me to delve into bands that I never tried to cover back in the day. I'm also drawn to Grant Green's playing on Blue Note, and trying to build chord melodies based on the old Mickey Baker and Ted Greene books.
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Great start to the week Kyle. I am very interested in G&L bringing back forgotten classics. I think they did a great job with the Rampage and SC2. I am really looking forward to the Superhawk. I think G&L really his the mark back in the day with the Superstrats. Too bad they went mostly unnoticed at the time. Nice to see the Rampage caught on after the fact, because players who have them don't want to give them up!
As far as recent musical taste, Ace Frehley and Randy Rhoads were the reason I started playing in 1982. I was big into 80's metal. But as I've grown older, I am more influenced by Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick, Billy Gibbons, and most recently Chris Stein of Blondie. I tend to prefer guys who play for the song as opposed to shredding for the sake of shredding. Listening to Chris Stein has led me to his influences, like Buddy Holly. It's been a lot of fun learning to play catchy songs, without having to worry about playing a million notes! Check out Blondie's recent cover of Please Please Me. That's the type of music I'm currently into!
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As far as recent musical taste, Ace Frehley and Randy Rhoads were the reason I started playing in 1982. I was big into 80's metal. But as I've grown older, I am more influenced by Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick, Billy Gibbons, and most recently Chris Stein of Blondie. I tend to prefer guys who play for the song as opposed to shredding for the sake of shredding. Listening to Chris Stein has led me to his influences, like Buddy Holly. It's been a lot of fun learning to play catchy songs, without having to worry about playing a million notes! Check out Blondie's recent cover of Please Please Me. That's the type of music I'm currently into!
Dave
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Baritone: Huh? This would not be my choice if I had one. Not because I don't like them. I just don't know anything about them and have enough problems navigating six strings on a "real" guitar.
What do I listen to as a growing musician? Well, that kind of assumes I'm a growing musician, which I don't ever pretend to be. I tend to listen to what I am comfortable with, what I like, and what the kids like (which is mostly late 60's and 70's rock). Honestly, I listen to a lot of news lately, since my retirement and my boys education kind of depends on the state of world events (btw, I'm about 12 hours from selling everything - buggers in Washington!).
Favorite guitar face? It has to be Martin's: http://youtu.be/q6hW7pYX9pU
Nice start! - e
What do I listen to as a growing musician? Well, that kind of assumes I'm a growing musician, which I don't ever pretend to be. I tend to listen to what I am comfortable with, what I like, and what the kids like (which is mostly late 60's and 70's rock). Honestly, I listen to a lot of news lately, since my retirement and my boys education kind of depends on the state of world events (btw, I'm about 12 hours from selling everything - buggers in Washington!).
Favorite guitar face? It has to be Martin's: http://youtu.be/q6hW7pYX9pU
Nice start! - e
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I'm an idiot. Copy and past the link I posted into your browser if you are interested. Sorry. - ed (moron)
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Ah Ed, your link worked in the first place, but as always I won't deprive you of a chance to beat up on yourself. Good for the old ego and all that. (I could use to be taken down a dozen pegs or so).
Rampagefan, I think it was Neilson that said "if you can't whistle it, it's not a melody" or something along those lines. It goes back to what you remember, you can recall in your head solos note for note by those guys and Gilmour and the like. Can you recall your average metal solo and distinguish it from the rest of the album (/catalogue), probably not. About as heavy as I get nowadays is Dream Theater for listening to, and Ayreon ofcourse. Dream Theater just reminds me so heavily of Rush with another guy in the band I can't help but love them, Petrucci practically drips Lifeson, especially in the earlier works. Probably the only full out 'shredder' that I like.
Ken, I will need to check out many of those bassists as I am not terribly familiar. About the only Jazz bassists I can name off my head is Charnett Moffet, Stanley Clark, and Victor Wooten. But we'll have more on that tomorrow.
Rampagefan, I think it was Neilson that said "if you can't whistle it, it's not a melody" or something along those lines. It goes back to what you remember, you can recall in your head solos note for note by those guys and Gilmour and the like. Can you recall your average metal solo and distinguish it from the rest of the album (/catalogue), probably not. About as heavy as I get nowadays is Dream Theater for listening to, and Ayreon ofcourse. Dream Theater just reminds me so heavily of Rush with another guy in the band I can't help but love them, Petrucci practically drips Lifeson, especially in the earlier works. Probably the only full out 'shredder' that I like.
Ken, I will need to check out many of those bassists as I am not terribly familiar. About the only Jazz bassists I can name off my head is Charnett Moffet, Stanley Clark, and Victor Wooten. But we'll have more on that tomorrow.
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Is EBay big enough to list everything America needs to sell? Hopefully there'll be some cheap G&L's in there along with the aircraft carriers and ballistic missiles.I'm about 12 hours from selling everything - buggers in Washington!
I don't know if my arms would be long enough for a baritone guitar. I'm somewhat of a short arse so I'd prefer a shorter scale guitar if anything, probably along the lines of that special edition Korina ASAT Jr that's been making eyes at me from various threads on here.
I like any guitar player who can make the song they're playing on sound better, not worse. But any melody they play must meet the Rick Neilson criterion of being whistle-able. I'm not a bass player, but lately I've been paying more attention to what the 'lowenders' are doing in various songs. I'm full of admiration for players like James Jamerson and Paul McCartney who not only provide a solid rhythmic base for the music, but also play their own cool little melodies without detracting from the song as a whole.
Great start Kyle
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I would love a decent Baritone guitar. I am currently using a VG Strat to get my Baritone sound, not working too bad, but an ASAT special I think would be lovely. Some of that old Country stuff need a Baritone to get the right sound.
I listen to a fairly wide range of stuff from traditional Country through to 90's rock. I am not one for metal music, but I don't mind a bit of AC/DC. On my car stereo I do seem to have predominantly new age county Guys like Brad Paisley, Brent Mason, Alan Jackson. This is the sort of music I would love to do, but at the moment I am in a traditional Country music band (lots of Buck, Mearle, Johnny Cash) which I still love.
I think the guy with the most facial expressions would be Roy Clark. I was lucky enough to see him last year at the Opry. I was trying to find the one he was doing Folsom Prison, that one always makes me laugh, but this one will do for today
http://youtu.be/jGlyn4XfHPQ
I listen to a fairly wide range of stuff from traditional Country through to 90's rock. I am not one for metal music, but I don't mind a bit of AC/DC. On my car stereo I do seem to have predominantly new age county Guys like Brad Paisley, Brent Mason, Alan Jackson. This is the sort of music I would love to do, but at the moment I am in a traditional Country music band (lots of Buck, Mearle, Johnny Cash) which I still love.
I think the guy with the most facial expressions would be Roy Clark. I was lucky enough to see him last year at the Opry. I was trying to find the one he was doing Folsom Prison, that one always makes me laugh, but this one will do for today
http://youtu.be/jGlyn4XfHPQ
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