Sun May 05, 2013 10:06 pm
Mon May 06, 2013 12:04 am
Mon May 06, 2013 6:03 am
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Mon May 06, 2013 11:26 am
louis cyfer wrote:the finish i wanted was the nena honey ale, and it is a special release finish. the guitars in that release do not have the options i want, and the guitar that would have what i want can't get that finish. makes no sense to me, but that is the way they roll. i understand if special woods would not be available, as the release was limited to stock at hand, but pretty much any other option, including finish should be easy to replicate and be offered on any u.s. guitar. i even think the asat classic should have bridge options. also pickups from different models should be available if they fit in the route and the pickguard. shielding should be an available option, fender offers it standard on less than 1k guitars.
Aussie wrote:Hey BP
Good to see you back on the board and I do like the look of that weapon of mass destruction of yours.
Necks. I think a compound radius would be a marketing plus, particularly on the models like the Invaders, Ascari and Fiorano.
Tribute Upgrades. The tributes are a great “budget” range but I think thay should stay as a limited option range. Reserve the wider optioning for USA models to provide a point of differentiation. There was talk of possible USA Ascari and Fiorano models but I guess that will depend on how well the Tribute models continue to be received in the market.
Btw, while I think the Ascari and Fiorano are a worthwhile experiment I think it is a bit of a marketing stretch to think of them as being from Leo’s Own blueprints.
Should all colo(u)r variants be available on all US builds if the customer is willing to fork out? Nope. There has to be more to differentiating models than just the body shape and the headstock decal.
Pedals. I have a Sonic Stomp, Crusher and Two Timer. Unfortunately all three seem to have taken up residence at my son’s house. All are good products but I did find a lot of value with the Sonic Stomp.
Cheers, Robbie
sirmyghin wrote:I do find it odd that G&L does not offer a few more radii, but overall, over time, I have come to realize radius is a very inimportant factor of playing. In my stable I have a 10, 11, 12, 14 ,15. Can't say that I care which one I pick up. I don't get along with the vintage 7.5" radius, but that has to do with preferences regarding action and fretting out on bends, nothing more. The difference between a 7.5" radius, and a 20" radius @ 1" from center is a whopping 1 mm. Nothing to worry about.
As far as upgrading tributes, don't think it should be an option. They are designed at a price point, not goal dream guitar. Anything done to them would sacrifice that, and the US models aren't terribly expensive as is. The tribute is a supplement, not an end point, exists to fill a perceived market gap, in the bustling world of budget guitars.
If people want to back their dollar, I am all for it, but we need to understand out of the norm stuff could cost a lot. At the end of the day, I can't fault a company for its business decisions though, whether I agree or not.
Tasty looking pig.
Mon May 06, 2013 12:29 pm
Mon May 06, 2013 2:12 pm
Boogie Bill wrote:I can't see offering that many options for radii. Inventory and manufacturing nightmare...doubtful they would ever recoup toolling costs. And who decides? How many is enough? Where does it end?
Hi mate & thanks for stopping by.this is agree with...
I am homo sapiens. I adapt.
If we're referring to Darwinism here this too I agree with.pertaining to business however we've all been around enough to know how many companies & CEO's are on the scrap heap who've brazenly embraced this construct.hence i'll see your adage & raise you one bill,"who pays says.."
And compounds aren't all that. I have a couple and they are no more or less comfortable than the standard 12" models.
This I respectfully disagree with sorry bill..
The Ascari and Fiorano are budget models so the company can compete in the that set neck mid market. I think they wisely chose to do an import rather than build in the USA. This is a bolt neck company.
This is agree with.i think G & L by & large have adopted a brilliant incremental business model.
And I can't think of any company that offers the range of finishes that G&L does across its entire line...not Gibson, Hamer, Heritage, Epi, Fender, Schecter, Guild, Martin, Taylor, Yamaha...etc.
this is whole heartedly agree with!
Sorry to shoot down all your ideas.
no ones shooting down anyone's ideas here bill,alls we's shootings the breeze dude
If you really that much customization, then a Warmoth or luthier-built guitar is the way to go.
this again I wholeheartedly agree with.
Me, I'm mainstream.
Bill
and me,I'm ray.and Louis is Louis & onwards & upwards we go to over 7 billion last I checked.be a pretty boring world if we were all the same don't you think?
Peace....
Mon May 06, 2013 3:44 pm
Boogie Bill wrote:I can't see offering that many options for radii. Inventory and manufacturing nightmare...doubtful they would ever recoup toolling costs. And who decides? How many is enough? Where does it end?
I am homo sapiens. I adapt.
Bill
Mon May 06, 2013 4:49 pm
Mon May 06, 2013 5:18 pm
The Black Page wrote:DISCLAIMER:my utmost apologies if I have offended any GENUINE practitioners of the Muslim faith with this taboo item
The Black Page wrote:Considering the near criminal prices we're all paying for these babies...
Boogie Bill wrote: If you really that much customization, then a Warmoth or luthier-built guitar is the way to go.l
Mon May 06, 2013 6:13 pm
blargfromouterspace wrote:The Black Page wrote:Considering the near criminal prices we're all paying for these babies...
I don't think they're overpriced at all, quite the opposite. For about the same price as an ASAT or Legacy I can get a Fender US standard where the only options available to me are a choice between 3 or 4 colours. Being able to specify what neck shape, fingerboard radius, colour, bridge, finish sheen is pretty damn good enough as it is, but when you consider how much better - at least to me - a G&L feels than a Fender then you're miles ahead.
Tue May 07, 2013 12:58 am
The Black Page wrote:You've got this one base over apex blarg I meant criminally CHEAP mate
Tue May 07, 2013 5:32 am
LikewiseThe Black Page wrote:G'day mate! Nice to finally exchange with you
I agree that a flat board would be the most preferred option for the Invader/ Ascari /Fiorano types but I just think players attracted to those instruments would also more likely to be interested in a compound radius neck than players attracted to the ASAT/Legacy styles.The Black Page wrote:Funny you use them 3 models as examples of what you'd like to see compound radius' on
Don’t get me wrong … I don’t see anything wrong with the Ascari and Fiorano which are clearly targeted at a different demographic than the traditional G&L offerings. I just think the link to the G100 blueprints is a bit tenuous.The Black Page wrote:I hear ya vi-sar-vi the marketing stretch too mate
Not sure but I think BBE/G&L is a family owned Pty Ltd (or US equivalent) company. However, regardless of ownership commercial enterprises will generally look beyond profits on individual transactions in favour of ensuring profitability over the longer term.The Black Page wrote:I'm unsure of the structure regarding G & L as a company &/or if it has an obligation to share holders et al & if a buyer comes along with say 3k to burn for a custom outing under the proviso that they can have access outside the box you'd think it would also be a logical move to take his money instead of turn him away
Oh yeah ... and me and my bass player mate playing a set with my son and his drummer mate at his 18 birthday will be a buzz I’ll carry to the grave ….The Black Page wrote:quite an intangible feeling to watch your own follow in your footsteps
Tue May 07, 2013 11:19 am
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Tue May 07, 2013 3:52 pm
louis cyfer wrote:ray, the nena finish is a totally different feel. it's not the color, it's the feel and the thin finish i am looking for. i just want an asat special with a maple neck with it. i don't particularly care for the thick poly finishes. g&l doesn't even offer that process available, not just individual colors. i a looking to get my ultimate player guitar that covers most of what i need. i was gonna refinish it myself until i saw the nena finish, and they have what i want. so it is a deal breaker, unfortunately i want the dfs and mfd soapbars with the guitar. it makes no sense to me not to offer a whole technology on other than special issue guitars. unlike the other guys, i am a player, not a collector. i don't want a guitar that mostly does what i need, i am actually looking for my ultimate guitar.
Tue May 07, 2013 4:07 pm
The Black Page wrote:louis cyfer wrote:ray, the nena finish is a totally different feel. it's not the color, it's the feel and the thin finish i am looking for. i just want an asat special with a maple neck with it. i don't particularly care for the thick poly finishes. g&l doesn't even offer that process available, not just individual colors. i a looking to get my ultimate player guitar that covers most of what i need. i was gonna refinish it myself until i saw the nena finish, and they have what i want. so it is a deal breaker, unfortunately i want the dfs and mfd soapbars with the guitar. it makes no sense to me not to offer a whole technology on other than special issue guitars. unlike the other guys, i am a player, not a collector. i don't want a guitar that mostly does what i need, i am actually looking for my ultimate guitar.
I hear ya big guy & you're preaching to the choir as you know,especially the player/collector divide my reappraisal on this one is a direct result of analytical thought purely from a business perspective
I'm not at liberty to disclose the price of major troutage as is forum rules but an eye as discerning as yours could ascertain it within a couple hundred bucks in a nanosecond.while it was still way cheaper than what a suhr,prs etc custom would cost me & im more than happy with the bang for for my buck it was still a substantial shell out, & I believe if customers of your ilk,& collectors like jos,ken,Darwin & so on evn guys like pat who has put in tremdous toil in delivering us members the LE-2 "if they're willing to pay the price" should be at the very minimum be considered an inside rail given the PR,past purchases & loyalty shown the G & L brand.
The G & L brand though as you've said bro is also collector based due to its rich history & the man who's name adorns our head stocks & by opening up this avenue "may" be alienating aspects of the "brand".some will say youre devaluing it.and when you're talking Leo fender it's not a decision that can be simply arrived based on the 2 cents worth of a handful of regular members of a forum.
All conjecture here but ill pose another scenario bud.we're both garsed nuts as you know & last year I grabbed one of his series 2 sigs.its the semi hollow quilt which is the only reason I never totally maxed the WR out on the builder as I didn't want 2 quilt semis so went the flame instead..there has just been been a "similar" 2 octave tribby released of if there was a US variant with the many options we already have & a 16" radius option I could have built a "ray" sig with bells & whistles for less than the money that the garsed was originally released for!
And this is the conundrum you find yourself in huge man.inside the G & L factory lies all the components for a "lethal Louis" custom hand made & basically a one of by the best in the business for a price that should come with a summons & euphemistically speaking your hands are tied by red tape but after reading what the boys had to say here to me anyway unfortunealty it makes sense
Cheers bud..
Tue May 07, 2013 4:16 pm