Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:55 pm
Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:33 am
Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:38 am
sam wrote:Hey Art,
Congratulations sounds like a cool history on that ASAT III. Having it local sure made the difference.
Here is a helpful link Craig put together with posting picture information.
Tutorial: Posting photos http://guitarsbyleo.com/FORUM/viewtopic ... 36&t=10450
Look forward to seeing those pics!
Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:02 am
art wrote:sam wrote:Hey Art,
Congratulations sounds like a cool history on that ASAT III. Having it local sure made the difference.
Here is a helpful link Craig put together with posting picture information.
Tutorial: Posting photos http://guitarsbyleo.com/FORUM/viewtopic ... 36&t=10450
Look forward to seeing those pics!
Hey Sam, thanks, not sure what I did wrong. I'll try something else with the photos, it's weird because I can see the photos in my post...
Ok, I *think* I got it now, I can see the photos in my post whether I'm logged into the board or not.
Thanks again, Sam. Oh, and, nice roses!
art
Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:11 am
Craig wrote:
They are showing now, so you must have changed the share permissions.
Thanks for posting this, as this explains the registry entries in our G&L Registry.
I sent your post to one of my contacts at the factory to see if he can get the log histories of both of those serial numbers.
I will post a follow up once I hear back from him.
Stay tuned.
Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:15 am
Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:49 am
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:24 pm
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:24 pm
Hi Craig,
I looked into this a bit and unfortunately the neck plate serial number is in a gap between records that we have.
The number puts it right around late 1995, which would be consistent with the body stamp.
The neck is a replacement. The serial places it in 1999. All the markings on the back are consistent with that.
The “CC” is actually “CL” which was used as the shorthand for ASAT Classic at the time. “Tint Shiny” was used
for the Glossy Gun oil Tint at the time. “BE” for Birds-eye maple. “Neck only” to designate it as a replacement neck.
Only thing I’m not sure on is the “pay GS” which might be 65 to indicate what they were charging for it? That’s a total guess though.
On the Paul Arron, a couple of the guys here remember the name. I started in 1999 and don’t remember him, but he could have still
been here. But I can’t confirm his dates on when he worked here. It was very likely an employee build, and either put together by him
as a “parts-SAT” or purchased as a regular ASAT III and needing a neck replacement later.
For your logs I would put it in under the neck plate serial number as an ASAT III for 1995 with a neck replaced later.
That’s all I could find on this unfortunately. Hope that helps though.
Thanks,
Spencer
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:02 pm
yowhatsshakin wrote:Looks like a gorgeous replacement neck to me, which like had a serial number under the lacquer already. From the holes in the neck you can see it was never used for a 4-bolt attachment. Another interesting thing is the diver at the bottom. For a trie 3-bolt neck there would have been a small metallic plate there the set screw ould much against.
Since that plate is not there, the set screw now just creates a divot when the bolts are tightened.
- Jos
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:13 pm
Craig wrote:I heard back from Spencer:
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Hope this helps.
I will be updating the two registry entries per Spencer's recommendation.
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:42 pm
yowhatsshakin wrote:Looks like a gorgeous replacement neck to me, which like had a serial number under the lacquer already. From the holes in the neck you can see it was never used for a 4-bolt attachment. Another interesting thing is the diver at the bottom. For a trie 3-bolt neck there would have been a small metallic plate there the set screw ould much against.
Since that plate is not there, the set screw now just creates a divot when the bolts are tightened.
- Jos
Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:23 pm
FZTNT wrote:Sweet III...I have one and I love it but it is for sale. Love that Birds Eye neck. I'm not sure but I think those dot markers are a dark form of Mother Of Pearl. I have a legacy and If I remember right the build sheet says MOP markers and the neck looks just like tours including the BEM.
Tom
Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:41 pm
FZTNT wrote:Nice catch Jos. So, it's a three bolt setup but with no way to perform the micro-tilt adjustment? Shouldn't the factory have taken care of that when they replaced the neck? I would imagine it's as strong a joint as any other three bolt joint, you would just need to use shims to make the tilt adjustment. I would be bummed out cause I love the micro-tilt concept. Maybe that's why I tend to lead towards the older G&Ls.
Tom
Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:54 pm
art wrote:yowhatsshakin wrote:Looks like a gorgeous replacement neck to me, which like had a serial number under the lacquer already. From the holes in the neck you can see it was never used for a 4-bolt attachment. Another interesting thing is the diver at the bottom. For a trie 3-bolt neck there would have been a small metallic plate there the set screw ould much against.
Since that plate is not there, the set screw now just creates a divot when the bolts are tightened.
- Jos
Thanks Jos, I had intended to ask about that, my '83 SC-2 has the plate, I was wondering why it was missing on this neck. It's not only gorgeous, it feels awesome. One thing is that the edges are a little more rounded than my newer G&Ls (at least, I think).
art
Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:01 pm
yowhatsshakin wrote:FZTNT wrote:Nice catch Jos. So, it's a three bolt setup but with no way to perform the micro-tilt adjustment? Shouldn't the factory have taken care of that when they replaced the neck? I would imagine it's as strong a joint as any other three bolt joint, you would just need to use shims to make the tilt adjustment. I would be bummed out cause I love the micro-tilt concept. Maybe that's why I tend to lead towards the older G&Ls.
Tom
Tom,
Yes, unfortunately the micro-tilt has been rendered useless. And I agree that should have been taken care of. After all, 1999 is a mere 2 years removed from when they made the transition to 4-bolt neck attachments. And I bet there would have been a couple of these disk inserts in the surplus bin somewhere in the factory.
But then again, if it is no longer top of mind because you are now so used to doing it differently, it is really easy to overlook.
- Jos
Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:00 am
You seem to be overlooking that this was an "employee built" guitar and the replacement neck was not for a customer guitar.
The replacement neck was likely chosen by the employee found at the factory and possibly one which was partially built and not used.
Dean and I have seen necks like this at the factory and Dean has gotten a few like that in the past. This was a neck which was originally
built for an "ASAT Classic" per the model decal on the headstock and already had a serial number installed, so it was intended to be used
for a 4-bolt ASAT Classic body. The proper decal for an ASAT III neck would have had the "ASAT" decal.
The factory would not put a replacement neck on a customer guitar with the wrong model name decal and a CLF serial numbered neck, for a 3-bolt body
with a serialized 3-bolt neck plate. I would guess that the employee (Paul) was not interested in having the micro-tilt installed on his replacement neck.
My $0.02.
Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:13 pm