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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: Random stuff: Leo Fender’s receipt for getting his car filled up and washed on May 7, 1983. The number 1959 is the year he first got a Union 76 credit card. Mine says 1993.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: You want some cool history? Here you go. Before the Music Man brand existed, first there was Tri-Sonix.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: Fender promo shot of tweed cases like the ones made by G & G Quality Case today. Gerry Germain keeps the tradition alive at G&G. Still made in Los Angeles. We go back a long time.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: I just put some CLF Research guitar knobs on the 1984 Cavalier. Those are the original knurled knobs sitting on top. I borrowed these CLF knobs from our 1980 natural hog F-100, but Johnny has Machinist Mike making more of the CLF guitar knobs now. When those are ready I’ll swap the oldies back on the F-100.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: Just got a little tool slice on my finger. After at least 27 years, this Bactine spray is still good. Thanks, Leo!
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: circa 1987 ad slick for the 2nd gen SC-3. You could rock a hot pink body with full matching neck and ebony board. G&L did the ‘80s well.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: Front and back covers of the 1980 catalog.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: 1984 CLF Research employment agreement for George.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: CLF Research sisters: 1978 Sabre II and 1984 Cavalier.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: Generations of Leo’s tech and George’s style, each model was bold and forward looking when new.
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y2kc
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
These guitars were bold and forward looking when new but they have survived the test of time very nicely. George's designs were well thought out and look as fresh today as they did when they left the drafting table. These designs do not look dated or as if they are from the past. These are just my feelings based off of what other builders are building now.
There are exceptions to this in the pre-bbe line up but this Musicman and G&L are timeless.
y2kc
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Danley
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
They have a really alternate universe vibe to me- forward looking but without any of the "standardized" hardware or formatting that so many present day guitars (I won't use the word "modern") always utilize. It's kind of like looking at a 90s Subaru and realizing how much more advanced it is than a lot of modern cars.
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JagInTheBag
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
y2kc wrote: These guitars were bold and forward looking when new but they have survived the test of time very nicely. George's designs were well thought out and look as fresh today as they did when they left the drafting table. These designs do not look dated or as if they are from the past. These are just my feelings based off of what other builders are building now.
There are exceptions to this in the pre-bbe line up but this Musicman and G&L are timeless.
y2kc I really prefer the SkyHawk control plate shape of all those advanced by George and Leo. To me, that is the only one that truly looks complete with or without a pick-guard. The Music Man one looks chunky and "stuck on", the F-100 less so. Additionally, I'd like to see a CLF offering but with certain cosmetic enhancements like countersunk control plates- things that show off the evolution of their manufacturing capability. Just my $0.02
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Craig
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Craig
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Craig
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Craig
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: Photo 1: This building used to be Race & Olmsted, the tool and die company that made and maintained the stamping dies for Fender’s metal shop. Photo 2: taken in 1997, a view down the alley next to what was the old Fender building (similar to the CLF Research building). At the end of the alley is the big CBS building. The covered area is where the train cars delivered wood at CBS/Fender. The CBS building was demolished about twelve years ago.
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Craig
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: Such an appealing photo. I couldn’t play a decent note with it but I want it anyway. Edit: anyone know if this is a 1957 String-Master 4 neck?
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Craig
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: July 1, 1976 - Music Man price list with the new Stingray Guitar and Stingray Bass made in Leo’s new CLF Research factory on Fender Avenue.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: circa 1983 promo sheet for the new Nighthawk. The name was changed to Skyhawk the following year.
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Craig
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: May 12, 1980 invoice for instruments produced and shipped to Music Man, Inc
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: Ideas were explored.
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Elwood
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Wow, I didn't expect that, I really like everything about it, ...the sleek lines, and I bet the longer headstock gives it a unique voice. Someone should string it up.
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yowhatsshakin
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Elwood wrote: Wow, I didn't expect that, I really like everything about it, ...the sleek lines, and I bet the longer headstock gives it a unique voice. Someone should string it up. Might be a little neck heavy though. Which may be the reason the headstock is so sleek, while still trying to preserve structural integrity. But with that 5th tuning machine so far out, it is a sizable torque. - Jos
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Elwood
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Good points Jos, Maybe a wide strap could counter that some. It sure would look cool with a body like your ASAT Bass proto. ...very tele-ish
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: May 5, 1981 - Red Wootten wrote to Leo and George to say how great his new L-2000 was. Over his storied career, Red won the Academy of Country Music (ACA) Award for Best Bassist in 1982.
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Craig wrote: Quote: Fender promo shot of tweed cases like the ones made by G & G Quality Case today. Gerry Germain keeps the tradition alive at G&G. Still made in Los Angeles. We go back a long time. I did an interview with Gerry and a tour of the G&G factory just recently to promote some limited-run cases they were doing for GC/MF and Fender. Love that their newest industrial stiching machine for sewing the leather caps on the cases dates back to 1912. Good follks and excellent cases. Need to get a new one made up to replace the original Victoria-made case for my '52 Dual Pro lap steel.
_________________ 2017 Fullerton Standard Legacy '65 Fender Stratocsater '64 Guild D-50 Mid-'90s MIJ 50s RI Tele '67 Gibson ES-345 Yamaha Pacifica MS-311 (baby MIke Stern)
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FZTNT
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
[quote="Craig"] You can barely see the skunk stripe on this neck...pretty cool. Tom
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Craig
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: circa 1983 neck features sheet by G&L Music Sales, Inc.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: June 4, 1981. It's my birthday and I'm holding my new Tele dad got for me. I wanted a Strat, but that's another story and not as good as this one.
It was afternoon, and mom called dad to remind him to bring home a guitar for my birthday. As some of you know, my dad John was recruited by CBS away from Yamaha to become president of the CBS Musical Instruments Division, and hopefully sort out the bugs. Maybe we'll get into some of those stories from back in the day, but moving on....
Dad had hired Bill Schultz and some other guys from Yamaha. Bill really, really, REALLY wanted to come over to CBS from Yamaha, and dad hired him and installed Bill as president of the Fender/Rodgers/Rhodes unit within the Division.
On my birthday, dad calls Bill into his office and told him to get David (me) a guitar, whatever the latest thing is. Bill called Roger Cox, head of R&D, into his office and he tells him to get one of the prototype '52 Teles and bring it to his office. Roger went to Scott Zimmerman and John Page told them to get one ready for John McLaren by the end of the day. Scott said the neck is warped so they need to replace it, and Roger replied to just get one out of the factory because they've run the first ten.
My brother Johnny walked with Scott into the big CBS factory, went right to the polish department where they had a few of the new '52 Tele necks. Scott selected the best one and then the guys walked back to R&D in the the old building. Scott and either Steve Bolinger or John Page put the guitar together and into a prototype tweed case. Johnny was instructed to take it to Bill's office, not knowing anything about it being a guitar for me.
Trouble was, that they had put this Tele together for Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders, and had planned to put another neck on it before she came to pick it up in a few days. Didn't matter, Bill had given the order.
When Johnny brought the Tele to Bill's office, a new Super Champ was sitting there, one of the first to come off the line. Turns out, that amp was for me. Later that afternoon, Bill dropped by our house to bring the Tele and Super Champ.
So that night, I'm pumped because I knew I would getting the new guitar. It wasn't the Candy Apple Red "The Strat" I wanted, but hey, it was cool. So, I open my birthday present and Johnny realized that's the same guitar he'd been shuttling around the factory!
As for that Tele, Johnny has in his office. In Leo's lab Johnny found an old grey box labeled "old Tele pickups" and installed them in the guitar.
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Craig
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Craig
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Craig
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: That’s a lot of of dust from a long time in Leo’s lab. For the million times I bumble across it, I don’t recall ever plugging it in. Anyway, the interesting thing going on here is the slug pole pieces in the bridge pickup. I believe the G&L Dual Fulcrum Vibrato with Fine Tuners was already in production at the time of this test mule.
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FZTNT
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Yum, Yum, Yum...love this guitar !!
Tom
ps. Thanks for sharing.
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Craig
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: Guitarist, producer and long time member of The Doobie Brothers John McFee and session and touring bassist Pancho Tomaselli hanging out in Leo’s office. The guys are holding our 1975 CLF Research Music Man prototypes.
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Craig
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Last edited by Craig on Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
Confirmed with Dave M. that fingerboard is Ebony.
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: Here’s a peek under the pickguard of the 1982 S-500. It looks much like the whole body did 36 years ago, while clear coat on the rest of the body has aged making the color look more like teal.
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Craig
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Quote: “To Leo Fender: Thanks for favors years ago - Best Always, Quincy Snodgrass.”
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Craig
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Re: New G&L Facebook page - CLF RESEARCH CO.
Quote: A box of defective Stingray control plates in the lab. Leo liked to analyze what went wrong so he could make improvements.
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Craig
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Quote: I’ve just been cheese-grating my forearm on this rough-sanded mahogany. Well, not quite that bad, but kind of a rash. This afternoon we were cobbling something together to test one thing, then later I remembered it’s a totally playable guitar. Sounded like a good time to make some noise.
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WitSok
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Craig wrote: Quote: I’ve just been cheese-grating my forearm on this rough-sanded mahogany. Well, not quite that bad, but kind of a rash. This afternoon we were cobbling something together to test one thing, then later I remembered it’s a totally playable guitar. Sounded like a good time to make some noise. Kind of lools like a Cavalier prototype... DFV, pickguard, old school control plate, min-toggle switch.... Here's hopen!
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Craig
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y2kc
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Craig,
I agree on George's F-100 body shape. The best variation of the strat shape. Big, beefy and sometimes just a tad on the weighty side. Great guitars.
Thanks for posting this stuff here.
y2kc
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