Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:59 am
Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:09 pm
Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:38 pm
Challenger wrote:Tom,
Your F-100 looks just like one of mine that is indeed Candy Apple Red. I have a price list dated 1-1-82 that lists the colors available for the F-100. The finishes available without an up charge were: natural ash, natural mahogany, sunburst, black, clear blue, red, white. There were two metallic finishes available for $140 extra: Candy Apple Red and Gold. So, your Candy Apple Red is considered a metallic finish.
I also have a price list from 1-15-85. The finishes listed for the Invader at that time were: Rampage Red, Black, White, and Hot Pink. My guess is your 1987 is Rampage Red.
Chip
Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:26 pm
Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:00 pm
Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:43 pm
Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:55 pm
Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:31 am
Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:24 pm
Challenger wrote:Perhaps the question to address is how is today's CAR poly finish different in appearance than the CAR nitro finish from the early 1980's? I'm guessing the poly red finish is applied and painted differently than the old nitro finishes (aside from the obvious top coat sealer).
Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:02 pm
Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:38 pm
darwinohm wrote:A little background if my mind can serve me correctly. A company called House of Kolor, in Minneapolis, came out with candy colors in the 70's I believe and I used some of there products. Their Candy Apple Red was a silver metallic base coat with a clear red over it. That was their version of CAR. The same red used over a metallic gold base was a different red. My Honda Gold Wing was Wineberry which was a wine red over a silver metallic basecoat. These were a 2 part process and the shade of the red would vary depending on how many coats of red were applied. Once you got the color correct you could additionally clear coat for a more durable finish, especially when polyurethane clearcoats became available however I also used Lacquer as a clearcoat into the 90's.
These were difficult colors to get the same from one job to the next. I suspect this could be why we see the variance in CAR. If you can see gold sparkle in the base coat I believe that is not CAR. CAR would have a silver metallic base. I'm not sure sure how G&L did it but I have painted several candy apple projects and they are beautiful. I would not try to repair a spot, as it would be noticeable. I did repaint part of my Gold Wing (Separate Panels) and it was very close, no one else would notice. I'm not sure if this helps anyone but I would expect differences from one guitar to the next as I believe they are hand sprayed at the factory. -- Darwin
Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:24 pm
FZTNT wrote:Challenger wrote:Yesterday, Craig posted the latest update of G&L inventory. I was looking through the list and while trying to decipher some of the codes, I looked at the bottom of the document where these codes are defined and found a color code of CAR. So at least it appears to still be available. But, even though the code was CAR, the description read Candy Apple Red Metallic. I did a search of the document for the term CAR and it came up with three guitars with a photo. Boy howdy, they sure have a gold sparkle to them even under the shop lights at the G&L setup bench.
Check them out:
CAR Legacy And the CAR S-500
CAR JB Bass
So imagine aging these 30 plus years and you have my F-100. Not the Invader I have and I almost bet it's not what Jos' Invader is either, but it's also completely possible. What I wonder now is what color was Rampage Red back in the eighties cause my (supposed) RR Invader is no where near the color of the Rampage in Jos' post.
The mystery goes on...But I think we have a good idea as to what CAR (metallic) looks like.
Tom
Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:47 pm
Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:45 pm
darwinohm wrote:Thanks Craig for the Fred Finisher link, he was a great source. In 1992 Honda Goldwing used the candy red clear over a gold metallic base and it was called Candy Spectra Red. I suspect that G&L is using the red over silver base and I wonder how they name it. -- Darwin
Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:23 pm
Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:57 pm
Craig wrote:darwinohm wrote:Thanks Craig for the Fred Finisher link, he was a great source. In 1992 Honda Goldwing used the candy red clear over a gold metallic base and it was called Candy Spectra Red. I suspect that G&L is using the red over silver base and I wonder how they name it. -- Darwin
You may be right since they don't offer Gold Metallic anymore; it was discontinued in 2009. I have emailed Spencer to find out what base coat they currently use.
Stay tuned.
Hi Craig,
We use either silver or gold depending on what other colors are being shot that day. The trans-red dominates the yellow in the gold so there is no difference in the appearance between the two.
Spencer