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[/why would the type of fretwire effect the intonation? the center of the fret is still the same. where the frets are cut is the determining factor isn't it? couldn't be that the p bass you have intonates beautifully because of better fret placement? the only way i can imagine this would help if someone pushes really hard, but that is a technique issue.
Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:07 pm
bassman wrote:[BTW- there is no way that the fret placement is better on an old bass that new one created with CNC machines. The templates in 1960 were not as accurate as what modern cnc equipment can create today, of course provided that the CNC machine is properly programmed.
Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:00 am
yowhatsshakin wrote:bassman wrote:[BTW- there is no way that the fret placement is better on an old bass that new one created with CNC machines. The templates in 1960 were not as accurate as what modern cnc equipment can create today, of course provided that the CNC machine is properly programmed.
You might be surprised! Remember this country got to the moon in that era without CNC. Instrument makers (in the mechanical sense not necessarily musical) and machinists are pretty amazing people that can make high-precision stuff with ruler, caliper, and micrometers. The fretboard template and/or jig used in the '60 might just be one of those pieces.
- Jos
Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:09 am
bassman wrote:[/why would the type of fretwire effect the intonation? the center of the fret is still the same. where the frets are cut is the determining factor isn't it? couldn't be that the p bass you have intonates beautifully because of better fret placement? the only way i can imagine this would help if someone pushes really hard, but that is a technique issue.quote]
That is a fair question, Louis and I would agree that it shouldn't make a difference as I think about it, but it definitely does make a difference when put into practice.
BTW- there is no way that the fret placement is better on an old bass that new one created with CNC machines. The templates in 1960 were not as accurate as what modern cnc equipment can create today, of course provided that the CNC machine is properly programmed.
The thin fret wire just interacts better with a bass string. I think that like a guitarist wants fat frets for his thin electric guitar strings, a bass string is more accurately stopped by a thinner fret than what is usually standard on basses.
I am actually re assembling this bass to test out the proper tuners that I just got for it. I just want to play it for awhile. The fret job is on hold. -Bassman
Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:25 pm
Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:28 pm
bassman wrote:Billy Shehan in his workshops talks about fretting his upper range of his fingerboards in mandolin fretwire because it intonates better.
Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:40 pm
bassman wrote:As in many things musical, a lot of what I am going to say is subjective because I have no way of accurately measuring what I hear and experience when playing a musical instrument.
The fret wire thickness/ thinness is demonstrated by my 1960 Fender Precision bass with thin vintage fret wire intonating better than my other Fender Precision basses with wider fret wire. It is not that the intonation is not correct on the basses with wide frets. Its just not as accurate or "sweet" and I am not the only bass player to notice this phenomenon.
You may be able to crown wide frets, but the crowns may not be dead center and the frets will wear the crown down before the fret wears out. All of this affects intonation all over the bass neck.
Lee Sklar had his old mainstay Franken P-bass done with mandolin fret wire for this reason. Billy Shehan in his workshops talks about fretting his upper range of his fingerboards in mandolin fretwire because it intonates better.
I am not alone in this observation.
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Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:22 am
bassman wrote:Louis- The fret wire is the variable factor in this comparison. Unless you are crowning wide frets with a PLEK machine, there is no way all crowns are dead center. I have not played a Plekked instrument, so I don't have that experience, but I have played basses with thin fret wire and I like them, so I want to try them on this bass. There is nothing else for me to say.
Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:32 am