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louis cyfer wrote:my favorite so far
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CGT wrote:Like Ivo, I prefer simplicity in the design of my instruments. But unlike Ivo, I truly find these guitars to be hideous.
Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:15 am
Ivo wrote:CGT wrote:Like Ivo, I prefer simplicity in the design of my instruments. But unlike Ivo, I truly find these guitars to be hideous.
Well, you know, being a nice guy and all...
But Leo's designs are so strong, that they don't need this. The above features only makes is weaker. And it sure doesn't improve tone, play better, or give them more value. It's kitsch.
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darwinohm wrote:[quote=]"G&L also leaves functionality far behind and often shoots for purely cosmetic goals.
Many of these Thorn guitars are not that different than some G&Ls including Ivo's Bluesboy.
The level of exotic detail should not automatically reflect upon the build quality or functional qualities of a guitar, positively or negatively."
darwinohm wrote:I have been following this post and I think I am lost in the shuffle. Even after a couple of cold ones. What I am seeing here is some fine Ron Thorn instruments with exotic beautiful woods. I also like the neck joint and would be surprised if the fretwork were subpar. My Suhr is not that different from a Fender or a G&L but that does not make it bad and there are some positive improvements in the design. I fail to understand were G&L has left functionality out for looks in fact leaving a pickguard off a transparent Bluesboy in my opinion would reduce the cost of parts and in no way reduce functionality and add to the looks, at least for me. I would love to own one of those Thorn guitars shown and I know that it would not affect my playing one way or the other a great deal. The bottom line is that I can increase my playing ability for very little money. Most musicians believe that they are better after they have had a few cold ones. Reality then returns the next day! It works for an evening. Have a great Saturday evening! I am, I became a new Grandpa with a new granddaughter this afternoon.-- Darwin
Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:52 pm
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:G&L also leaves functionality far behind and often shoots for purely cosmetic goals.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:Many of these Thorn guitars are not that different than some G&Ls including Ivo's Bluesboy.
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:The level of exotic detail should not automatically reflect upon the build quality or functional qualities of a guitar, positively or negatively.
Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:09 pm
Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:35 pm
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:Okay I am not clear whether Louis is echoing Darwin or merely attempting to clean up his posts. Before anyone gets carried away with what they think my post meant allow me to clarify what I meant. First, you should look to the whole post and not isolate one sentence. If there is any doubt usually the adjoining sentences add clarity to the meaning. That is how paragraphs are constructed and though this is three sentences touching on separate posts by different members the idea is singular. Looking at it any other way would produce contradictions.Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:G&L also leaves functionality far behind and often shoots for purely cosmetic goals.
This means G&L also pursues visual goals that have no bearing on functionality. This does not suggest G&L abandons functionality in doing so. It means that certain visual features that have been produced by G&L are also well beyond practical or conservative or basic. For instance red sparkle flake has nothing to do with functionality, playability, tone or electronics. It is purely cosmetic. Some might consider flake finishes to be extreme and even exotic. This is not slamming G&L if that is how you perceived it.
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Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:00 pm
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:Louis,
Because of the way the code did not properly enclose the quoted text I did not see the last line you had added. I would have been certain that you were offering clarification.
Thanks
Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:08 am
Michael-GnL-Michael wrote:G&L also leaves functionality far behind and often shoots for purely cosmetic goals.
Many of these Thorn guitars are not that different than some G&Ls including Ivo's Bluesboy.
The level of exotic detail should not automatically reflect upon the build quality or functional qualities of a guitar, positively or negatively.